Heroes vs. Lost

[Pan]

I know there's some banter going on in each individual thread, but I thought I'd make a thread specifically to discuss BOTH shows, compare them, ridicule the other, etc.

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Some links first:

http://www.thejay.com/2006/12/11/heroes-lost-rumble/

http://auto.nomo.us/weblog/2007/02/heroes_vs_lost_.html

http://time-blog.com/tuned_in/2007/02/heroeslost_which_kind_of_geek_1.html

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/01/09/the-first-great-debate-of-2007-lost-vs-heroes/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medialoper.com%2Fhot-topics%2Ftelevision%2Fthe-first-great-debate-of-2007-lost-vs-heroes%2F&frame=true

etc. there's tons of links comparing these two shows

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Next, there IS PROOF OF A CROSS-OVER, kinda.
Parkman on Heroes is the same actor who played the pilot of Oceanic XXX in Lost! http://herost.com/index.php/2007/05/04/digg-exclusive-video-proof-of-heroes-lost-cross-over/
Gannon car rentals' brochure in both shows:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=698377
(also at that link, Desmond's physicist friend saying time travel is ridiculous also appears in Heroes, telling Suresh that his theory was ridiculous.)

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Finally, I will have to admit that LOST seems written for the intellectual who enjoys puzzles and riddles (ME!) whereas HEROES seems written for the comic book geek (ME!). I love both shows. Episode per episode, however, Heroes is far more fulfilling. Some of those LOST eps just seemed like a soap opera stuck in flashbacks.

Heroes is easy to get into and easy to enjoy.

Lost is difficult to get into and nigh impossible to fully understand.

Heroes is fun for the heart, Lost is fun for the brain.

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There. Now Quack and Fluffy can come here and be assholes and make fun of Heroes all they want (though I bet they continue to do so in the other two threads as well).

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there was one link i found earlier in the week that i'd like to submit here, but i can't find it now. it had an alternate comparison of character stereotypes than those given in the links above.

[fluffy]

Finally, I will have to admit that LOST seems written for the intellectual who enjoys puzzles and riddles (ME!) whereas HEROES seems written for the comic book geek (ME!). I love both shows. Episode per episode, however, Heroes is far more fulfilling. Some of those LOST eps just seemed like a soap opera stuck in flashbacks.

Heroes is easy to get into and easy to enjoy.

Lost is difficult to get into and nigh impossible to fully understand.

Heroes is fun for the heart, Lost is fun for the brain.

i think thats a good way of putting it actually. Heroes is fun and light, Lost is dark and confounding. i do watch both shows actually, but i have to admit if find Lost a lot more engaging. not giving everything away and keeping everyone guessing to me is part of the fun. its maddening sure, and not for everyone. Heroes to me is predictable, and thats not necessarily a bad thing. its just the difference between watching a movie by Raimi vs one by Aronofsky.


There. Now Quack and Fluffy can come here and be assholes and make fun of Heroes all they want (though I bet they continue to do so in the other two threads as well).

oh, we will. besides the fun of making fun of Heroes is watching you and jack get your Wolverine underoos in a wad when we make a crack about it. like i said i watch both and enjoy them too, just for different reasons. i just crack up over jack's "OMGWTF HEROES 4EVA!!!!!" posts.

[MaryvilleRockWriter]

I'm with you, Pan - I love both shows. Right now, however, I find "Heroes" more engaging and fulfilling, but not because I think "Lost" is starting to become a soap opera. To me, the very things that made "Lost" so intriguing and compelling to begin with are starting to become its downfall - mysteries and questions and riddles and enigmas. I think the writers are in danger of letting the storylines get too convoluted with too many questions. The "answer one question, raise three more" method of storytelling was involving the first two seasons ... now, I'm afraid they've asked so many questions that even long-time viewers have trouble keeping up with what's been asked and answered. Too many elements have been left hanging, and I know the writers have promised to address them down the road (i.e., the four-toed statue, and the Michael/Walt situation), but the time between questions asked and questions answered is getting tedious.

Does that mean I'll quit watching? Hell, no. It certainly is brain-food, or as close as TV can get to that, but it's starting to become a difficult meal to fully digest, no matter how tasty it is.

[jack frost]

Holy crap, fluffy. You just compared LOST to an Aranofsky movie?

You are officially at least as much of a fanboy as I am. Jesus, dude.

[omgwtf]

Lol.

This oughta be good.























LOST > Heroes

[relentless1]

I watch Lost. I watched the first few eps of Heroes and I enjoyed them, but I don't really want to be obsessed with more than one show at a time. I'm going to buy the first season of Heroes when it comes out on DVD and watch it while I wait for Lost to return for the next season.

[fluffy]

Holy crap, fluffy. You just compared LOST to an Aranofsky movie?


huh? can you not read or something? i believe i said comparing Heroes to Lost is like comparing films by Raimi to Aronofsky. fine then, Pixie Stix to Creme Brulee, Ramones to Wire, Rowling to Tolken, whatever.


all im saying is that TO ME, its "fun, simple guilty pleasure" vs "more complex storytelling". i love em both, just one is requires more commitment.

[spinetingler]

How 'bout that Will Traveller show?

[jack frost]

I don't see any point in specifically comparing the two shows (what we really should be doing is all agreeing that 24 sucks), the only thing that bugs me is the fluffy/Mark position that "people watch LOST because they're smarter". That's just crazy talk.

I liked LOST a lot more when it was called The Prisoner. :)

[fluffy]

what we really should be doing is all agreeing that 24 sucks

im not at liberty to comment on that, having never seen it. however, if the trashing of American Idol should commence anytime soon, let me know. ill be there to assist, post haste!



I liked LOST a lot more when it was called The Prisoner. :)


or back when Heroes was called "The Greatest American Hero". man, that white guy fro had AWESOME powers!

[relentless1]

or back when Heroes was called "The Greatest American Hero". man, that white guy fro had AWESOME powers!

I chose not to believe he could walk on air.

[fluffy]

I chose not to believe he could walk on air.


what, you never thought he could feel so free-eee-eee?

[jack frost]

I would like to clear one thing up. In theory, I should like LOST. I think that The Prisoner was probably the best television show ever produced. I like mysteries and puzzles.

The thing is, I don't like LOST as a viewing experience. I have a very low tolerance for television and the 10-odd times I tried to watch LOST I just kept thinking "This is so boring". And you can't compare LOST to something like Umberto Eco - or even, fairly, The Prisoner - because it is crystal clear that even the writers of LOST are not entirely sure what the damn is going on and they're just making things up as they go. The same can not be said of this season of Heroes - everything has come together perfectly, even things that seemed completely inexplicable. And I don't think they've been retconning.

[relentless1]

what, you never thought he could feel so free-eee-eee?

How in the bejeezus could ANYONE feel free in pants that tight?

[(x)< QUAX!]

Lost has hotter women.

Bottom line.

If you try to say that the cheerleader is hotter than any female on Lost then you're a pedophile, because she depicts a high school girl on the show.

Lost winz.

[trancendyce]

Lost has hotter women.

Bottom line.


So... which one has hotter men?

[relentless1]

So... which one has hotter men?

Two words...Josh Holloway. *swoon*

[trancendyce]

Two words...Josh Holloway. *swoon*

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u117/trancendyce/joshholloway-kickin.jpg

mmm... nice! I like flexible.

[jack frost]

Lost has hotter women.

That's just crazy talk. Ali Larter (Nikica) and Missy Peregrym (Candace).

[relentless1]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/tv_pix/abc/lost/josh_holloway/gallery_bobdamico.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/gallery/sexyfalltvguys/mfox.jpg
http://www.prosieben.de/imperia/md/images/spielfilm_und_serie/lost/darsteller/galerie/29_Lost_Andrews_303_404_Touchstone_Television.jpg

So anyway, er, um....my money's on Lost in the "kind on the eyes" men department.

[Pan]

If you try to say that the cheerleader is hotter than any female on Lost then you're a pedophile, because she depicts a high school girl on the show.

In real life, she's actually 17, and got her high school degree this spring via tutors while working on the show.

For me, Freckles is the hottest out of both shows.

[relentless1]

Gotta agree with you there Pan. She's so purty it hurts.

http://ass.bodsforthemods.com/galleryimages/Evangeline-Lilly/1.jpg

[omgwtf]

I like the direction this thread is going in so far.

[trancendyce]

Gotta agree with you there Pan. She's so purty it hurts.

http://ass.bodsforthemods.com/galleryimages/Evangeline-Lilly/1.jpg

I can't see the image... which one is it?

[relentless1]

Where did it go???

I can't post ANY pictures now. I must have upset the powers that be. :(

[trancendyce]

Weird... the one I posted disappeared as well, but the others you (relentless1) posted are still there.

[jack frost]

I find Ali Larter more attractive than Kate. And I don't even usually like blondes.

http://www.autographworld.com/photos/images/alilarter1.jpg

[fluffy]

it is crystal clear that even the writers of LOST are not entirely sure what the damn is going on and they're just making things up as they go.

uhm, you have no idea if that is true or not, since the show isnt finished. and again, since you havent watched but 10 episodes i dont think youre really in a position to know what the writers are or are not doing. they could be BSing it, or they might still answer anything. i dont know, and neither do you.



The same can not be said of this season of Heroes - everything has come together perfectly, even things that seemed completely inexplicable.

well gee, aint that an accomplishment for a show thats been on 1 whole season?

[fluffy]

How in the bejeezus could ANYONE feel free in pants that tight?


apparently william katt wasnt packin much heat.

[jack frost]

well gee, aint that an accomplishment for a show thats been on 1 whole season?

Did Season One of LOST conclude with any answers or any kind of comprehensible plot?

[fluffy]

Did Season One of LOST conclude with any answers or any kind of comprehensible plot?


i wouldnt still be watching if it didnt on some level. not all of us need season finalies wrapped in is nice little packages.

[jack frost]

i wouldnt still be watching if it didnt on some level. not all of us need season finalies wrapped in is nice little packages.

LOST's ratings and reviews bear out the notion that its viewers are getting sick of being constantly teased with nonsense and red herrings. Perhaps you're an exception. Perhaps you're...

...special.

[fluffy]

LOST's ratings and reviews bear out the notion that its viewers are getting sick of being constantly teased with nonsense and red herrings.

i still enjoy the storylines and if all the questions are answered in the end ill be pretty satisfied. however, if like you said they are just making shit up as they go along and dont answer everything, i will be pissed and will gladly join the naysayers. i dont think that will happen, but i cant say for sure.

if other people have given up, so what? people gave up on Arrested Development too. that make it a bad show? if we are going on viewship as being a hallmark of quality television, than American Idol must be the best show on TV right now, huh?

[relentless1]

Somebody give that girl a sammich quick!


I find Ali Larter more attractive than Kate. And I don't even usually like blondes.

http://www.autographworld.com/photos/images/alilarter1.jpg

[relentless1]

Firefly, which I thought was one of the wittiest, most enjoyable shows ever, was canceled after one season. Apparently, not many people agreed with me on that.

[trancendyce]

Firefly, which I thought was one of the wittiest, most enjoyable shows ever, was canceled after one season. Apparently, not many people agreed with me on that.

I love that show. River kicks ass 4-evah!

[fluffy]

Firefly, which I thought was one of the wittiest, most enjoyable shows ever, was canceled after one season. Apparently, not many people agreed with me on that.


didnt Sci Fi or some other channel pick it up and at least finish it out?

[trancendyce]

Somebody give that girl a sammich quick!

Lol!
Make that a steak and cheese with lots of mayo and watch out for that toothpick.

[relentless1]

Cap'n Malcolm was the bomb.

Sci Fi re-ran the season. It was never finished out, they made the movie for that. The DVD set has two episodes that were never aired, but they were just other earlier in the season eps.

I probably watch the entire season and the movie a few times a year. I'm such a dork. I just never get tired of it.

[fluffy]

Lol!
Make that a steak and cheese with lots of mayo and watch out for that toothpick.


yeah i dont find her attractive at all. in fact i really really really hope they kill her off. that whole family could die and i wouldnt be upset.

[relentless1]

Harsh!
I know how you feel though. Jack (Lost) is so damned fine, but everytime he opens his mouth I want him to gasp for his last breath. He just so broody and whiny and bossy. I've disliked him from about the middle of the first season on. I felt the same way about Boone.

[fluffy]

Harsh!
I know how you feel though. Jack (Lost) is so damned fine, but everytime he opens his mouth I want him to gasp for his last breath. He just so broody and whiny and bossy. I've disliked him from about the middle of the first season on.

yeah those bug eyed expressions of his are really annoying. and his almost constant indignation. he redeemed himself a little when he held ben's life hostage, but after that he just went back to being annoying. and something tells me in real life hes probably a huge asshole.


I felt the same way about Boone.

yeah him and shannon both. sooo annoying. there are way too many whiners on that island. i guess one of the other strange powers of the island is to turn previously strong independent people(sawyer, kate, michael, jack, charlie, etc) into whiny losers.

[relentless1]

Somewhere there is a smoke monster with a collection of brass balls.

[Gray]

Just say no to Ali Larter. Missy Peregrym is where it's at:

http://www.vintagesleds.com/archive/archiveimages/q3-2004/missy.jpg

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/missy-peregrym/pictures/missy-peregrym-picture-1.jpg

[jack frost]

I agree that Missy is cuter, but I'm so tired of the "give that girl a sandwich" joke. I mean, God forbid there may be girls who are just naturally skinny. There are tons of guys (myself included) who just can't gain fat weight, and it's the same way with some girls.

I doubt anyone has ever yelled "eat a sandwich!" at Thurston Moore.

[fluffy]

I agree that Missy is cuter, but I'm so tired of the "give that girl a sandwich" joke. I mean, God forbid there may be girls who are just naturally skinny. There are tons of guys (myself included) who just can't gain fat weight, and it's the same way with some girls.


yeah, all those models and actress just happen to have really fast metabolisms. what a coincidence!


I doubt anyone has ever yelled "eat a sandwich!" at Thurston Moore.


i did once. so he stopped the show for 5 minutes to finish a Reuben he'd gotten to go earlier in the day. best SY show eva!

[spinetingler]

I doubt anyone has ever yelled "eat a sandwich!" at Thurston Moore.

No, but I did yell "tune that fucking guitar, ya freak."

[jack frost]

yeah, all those models and actress just happen to have really fast metabolisms. what a coincidence!

Have you ever considered that the reason they became models and actresses is that they are naturally skinny and attractive?

I don't know, I'm just saying, I've known so many people, male and female, that eat whatever they want and stay skinny that I'm sick of people who make an assumption that a girl can't be skinny unless she's starving herself.

It's actually pretty degrading to constantly make fun of skinny women like that. There's not really any difference between saying "Look at that fatty!" and "Eat a sandwich!", ethically. It's been shown that generally people can't help how they look - anorexia aside, if you're not genetically disposed to be skinny, you simply won't ever be. Just like there's no way I will ever be fat, no matter how much I eat.

[fluffy]

Have you ever considered that the reason they became models and actresses is that they are naturally skinny and attractive?

no im sure you are right. models by and large dont take weight loss drugs, starve themselves or make themselves throw up. i mean, that simply cant be true.


It's actually pretty degrading to constantly make fun of skinny women like that.

yeah skinny attractive people have it really rough in society today. i feel so sorry for them, what with their ample selections of clothing lines, majority viewership in tv and film, and lets not forget those poor poor models that every guy would probably turn over their lifesavings to just to scrog once. man, it must be tough.


There's not really any difference between saying "Look at that fatty!" and "Eat a sandwich!", ethically.

when the magazines, fashion designers, TV producers, movie execs and just about every other aspect of our society today treat fat people the same as thin, ill agree there is no difference. until that day, i call big time bullshit on that statement.

[jack frost]

no im sure you are right. models by and large dont take weight loss drugs, starve themselves or make themselves throw up. i mean, that simply cant be true.

Honestly, I don't think that most of them do any of that. You're quoting urban legend as if it's canon.


yeah skinny attractive people have it really rough in society today. i feel so sorry for them, what with their ample selections of clothing lines, majority viewership in tv and film, and lets not forget those poor poor models that every guy would probably turn over their lifesavings to just to scrog once. man, it must be tough.

This is similar to the flawed reasoning that people who are "famous" obviously must be happy.

Cary Grant, who was the most famous and adored film star of his generation, was completely miserable until he was 60 or so and discovered LSD.

Hey, I'm skinny and plenty of girls have said I'm attractive. Doesn't really make my life any easier, chief. It's all a matter of perspective.

And "those poor models that every guy would turn over their lifesavings to scrog once"? Do you think that they are so emotionally or intellectually bankrupt that they get much satisfaction out of the knowledge that men are interested exclusively in their bodies, to the point of not even acknowledging they have a personality? Yeah, I think that actually is pretty tough for some of them.


when the magazines, fashion designers, TV producers, movie execs and just about every other aspect of our society today treat fat people the same as thin, ill agree there is no difference. until that day, i call big time bullshit on that statement.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about being a good person. A good person does not degrade other people for no reason. The merit of an act is inherent in the intent of the one acting. Yelling "eat a sandwich" at Fiona Apple is as intentionally mean-spirited as yelling "hey fatty" at someone.

It's not cool to be mean to people. Period.

[Gray]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about being a good person. A good person does not degrade other people for no reason. The merit of an act is inherent in the intent of the one acting. Yelling "eat a sandwich" at Fiona Apple is as intentionally mean-spirited as yelling "hey fatty" at someone.

It's not cool to be mean to people. Period.

My God. I couldn't possibly agree more with this. Cubes to you.

[omgwtf]

Another pissing match.

Great.

[spinetingler]

Another pissing match.

Great.

Oh, piss off, wanker.
http://www.nautibutnice.com.au/Images/Products/Boys_Toys/Wanking%20Tools/Hand%20Wanker.jpg

[relentless1]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about being a good person. A good person does not degrade other people for no reason. The merit of an act is inherent in the intent of the one acting. Yelling "eat a sandwich" at Fiona Apple is as intentionally mean-spirited as yelling "hey fatty" at someone.

It's not cool to be mean to people. Period.

But it makes fat girls like me feel soooooooo much better.

[fluffy]

Honestly, I don't think that most of them do any of that. You're quoting urban legend as if it's canon.

yeah, im sure the Academy for Eating Disorders, which issued guidelines back in january aimed at the fashion industry to adopt a medical-certification requirement to affirm that aspiring models do not suffer from an eating disorder and/or related medical complications, were just giving into the urban legends too.


This is similar to the flawed reasoning that people who are "famous" obviously must be happy.

funny, ive never heard that. ive heard rich people are obviously must be happy. wouldnt you be happier if you were rich? i know i would be.


Cary Grant, who was the most famous and adored film star of his generation, was completely miserable until he was 60 or so and discovered LSD.

are you saying LSD is the key to everyone's happiness? talk about taking urban legends as canon.


Hey, I'm skinny and plenty of girls have said I'm attractive. Doesn't really make my life any easier, chief.

yeah well, the reasons for that are up for debate(and have been prior).


And "those poor models that every guy would turn over their lifesavings to scrog once"? Do you think that they are so emotionally or intellectually bankrupt that they get much satisfaction out of the knowledge that men are interested exclusively in their bodies, to the point of not even acknowledging they have a personality?

yes. yes i do.



I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about being a good person. A good person does not degrade other people for no reason.

yeah well, it happens around here quite often. life is tough and lots of people on this planet are mean. putting a daisy in their gun barrel wont change shit either.


The merit of an act is inherent in the intent of the one acting. Yelling "eat a sandwich" at Fiona Apple is as intentionally mean-spirited as yelling "hey fatty" at someone.

and even as youve pointed out, its all a matter of perspective. and from what ive seen, fat people are still more chided in this society than skinny people are(and my wife is big, so ive seen what happens to big people of both sexes). when fat people and skinny people are treated equally in whatever connotations, then ill be happy to bury the hatchet. in the meantime,

eat. a. god. damn. sandwich.

[trancendyce]

And to think, I even restrained myself from making fun of how it looks like she is in the process of changing her dirty diaper. What is she, anyway... another astronut?

Oh and by the way, I was talking about exactly "that."

[trancendyce]

My God. I couldn't possibly agree more with this. Cubes to you.

Yet, just a few minutes later you wrote such kind words as...


Breaking news: Cavuto is a ninny. A result of too many nights lying prostrate before Ann da Man Coulter, in full dominatrix regalia.

Not that I disagree concerning da Mandible (who btw could use a steak sammich as well). ;)

[jack frost]

funny, ive never heard that. ive heard rich people are obviously must be happy. wouldnt you be happier if you were rich? i know i would be.

There was a time in my life when I had vastly more money than I could possibly know what to do with. No, I wasn't any happier because of it. The amount of money I do or don't have usually has little bearing on my emotional state.


are you saying LSD is the key to everyone's happiness? talk about taking urban legends as canon.

No, doofus, I was just saying it's a documented fact that Cary Grant was a horribly miserable person despite being insanely famous and rich. I mentioned that he became happy when he discovered LSD just as a footnote. And none of it is urban legend; it's a fact that once he discovered LSD he went on at great length in interviews about how it was the key to making him a happy person.


life is tough and lots of people on this planet are mean.

Everyone else is mean, so I should be too? Fuck that.


fat people are still more chided in this society than skinny people are

Not gonna dispute that. Still doesn't make it right.

[fluffy]

There was a time in my life when I had vastly more money than I could possibly know what to do with. No, I wasn't any happier because of it. The amount of money I do or don't have usually has little bearing on my emotional state.

ok whatever. then give me your money then. trust me when i say ill be much happier if you did.


No, doofus, I was just saying it's a documented fact that Cary Grant was a horribly miserable person despite being insanely famous and rich. I mentioned that he became happy when he discovered LSD just as a footnote. And none of it is urban legend; it's a fact that once he discovered LSD he went on at great length in interviews about how it was the key to making him a happy person.

i wasnt talking specifically about him. im talking about the acid boosters who claim that everyone in the world would be so much nicer if they took LSD, which seemed to be what you were alluding to.




Everyone else is mean, so I should be too? Fuck that.

im just saying give what you get. you wanna walk around be all sweet and nice, so be it. world dont really respond to olive branches as much as you think.



Not gonna dispute that. Still doesn't make it right.

actually, yeah you did, or at least tried to claim that they skinny people and fat people are both scorned on the same level. and thats major bullshit-

"There's not really any difference between saying "Look at that fatty!" and "Eat a sandwich!", ethically."

ive heard a lot more fat jokes than ive ever heard skinny jokes.

[jack frost]

im just saying give what you get. you wanna walk around be all sweet and nice, so be it. world dont really respond to olive branches as much as you think.

I know the world is cruel to kindness (so did Jesus; as someone summed up the basis of Jesus' teachings once: "If you don't love, you're dead, and if you do, they'll kill you.")

That does not diminish my internal desire to be kind or my moral imperative to be so.


actually, yeah you did, or at least tried to claim that they skinny people and fat people are both scorned on the same level. and thats major bullshit-

"There's not really any difference between saying "Look at that fatty!" and "Eat a sandwich!", ethically."

ive heard a lot more fat jokes than ive ever heard skinny jokes.

Just because I said that it's equally mean to make fun of someone for being skinny as it is to make fun of them for being fat doesn't mean I was saying it happens just as often. I was simply saying that it is just as wrong.

[Gray]

Yet, just a few minutes later you wrote such kind words as...



Not that I disagree concerning da Mandible (who btw could use a steak sammich as well). ;)

Correct. We were talking about not being mean to PEOPLE, though, not harpies of indeterminate gender.

[shoetick]

There was a time in my life when I had vastly more money than I could possibly know what to do with. No, I wasn't any happier because of it. The amount of money I do or don't have usually has little bearing on my emotional state.

i guess the blab could only hope you would have invested instead of going into an emotional state.

[jack frost]

i guess the blab could only hope you would have invested instead of going into an emotional state.

I wish I had invested it, too. However, I wasn't unhappy when I had that money; it's simply that I was happy for reasons totally unrelated to the money.

[loopDloop]

quick summary of all the comments i would have posted on this thread if i was a regular:

1. being fat and thin is a completely different issue for girls than it is for guys, and i'm surprised this argument went on so long without someone pointing that out.

2. i don't watch heroes, but LOST is definitely the best show ever. ever. i don't care. ever. shut up. i said EVER.

3. if matthew fox were singing the barney theme show over and over repeatedly forever, i would still think he was the hottest thing on tv. although i'd have a hard time positioning the duct tape over his mouth just right so as to keep the words from coming out but still show his purdy face.

4. in certain situations, being mean is the kindest way to treat a person. sometimes it's the right thing to do. oooh, ponder that.

and those are my comments.

[jack frost]

2. i don't watch heroes, but LOST is definitely the best show ever. ever. i don't care. ever. shut up. i said EVER.

Better than The Prisoner, Monty Python, Twin Peaks, Nobuta Wo Produce, Great Teacher Onizuka...?

That's just crazy talk. I love Heroes but even it doesn't really hold a candle to those shows.

[fluffy]

Nobuta Wo Produce, Great Teacher Onizuka...?

That's just crazy talk. I love Heroes but even it doesn't really hold a candle to those shows.


ok just because you think cartoons filled with huge eyed skinny waisted asian chicks with little ears on top of their heads for some reason are the best things ever doesnt mean everyone else does.

[loopDloop]

Better than The Prisoner, Monty Python, Twin Peaks, Nobuta Wo Produce, Great Teacher Onizuka...?

That's just crazy talk. I love Heroes but even it doesn't really hold a candle to those shows.

i said shut up.

[jack frost]

ok just because you think cartoons filled with huge eyed skinny waisted asian chicks with little ears on top of their heads for some reason are the best things ever doesnt mean everyone else does.

Perhaps you should try figuring out what you're talking about before posting.

Nobuta Wo Produce is Japanese, but it's not an anime. It's a drama. It won the Japanese television awards for Best Drama, Best Actor, Best Supporting Actress, Best Script and Best Director. Its ratings varied from between 16-18% of the entire Japanese viewing population during its run. It is a touching and compelling story about finding one's identity and the nature of human relations, as well as exploring issues such as redemption and betrayal.

Great Teacher Onizuka was a manga and an anime, but it was made into a live-action drama as well, which is the only version I've seen.

Both of them are far more compelling than anything I've seen on American television in decades.

But, hey, feel free to mouth off without even bothering to check Wikipedia. You're good at it.

[fluffy]

blah blah do be do blah


like i care. dont you have beers to bum somewhere?

[jack frost]

like i care. dont you have beers to bum somewhere?

No, my sister's back in town, so I'm going to go fuck her while listening to Boris before heading to the Animal Collective show. :)

[spinetingler]

No, my sister's back in town, so I'm going to go fuck her while listening to Boris before heading to the Animal Collective show. :)

Does Animal Collective play reggaeton?

[fluffy]

Does Animal Collective play reggaeton?


dont ask jack. he doesnt even know what reggaeton is.

[jack frost]

Based on the reggaeton Jesse showed us, I'm quite glad I don't know what it is.