The Tom Waits scoop

[AC]

Ok. Now that the announcement is in USA Today, I can spill more of the beans:

We're very proud to be presenting Tom Waits first appearances in this area since the late 1970s:

August 2 in Asheville at the Thomas Wolfe Auditorium

August 4 in Memphis at the Orpheum

August 5 in Nashville at the Ryman

Tickets will be going on sale for all of these shows on Friday, July 14 - most likely internet and phone sales only...more information will be forthcoming soon.

This is a dream come true for me...I'm really excited. Hope some of you can make it.

[F-Stop]

Holy Crap!

[jeffx]

we're going to be in the studio through all of these dates.

i am now crying.

[Randall]

we're going to be in the studio through all of these dates.

i am now crying.

Get your priorities straight, man. What's more important: Tom Waits at the Ryman or some songs you wrote yourself?
;)

[Randall]

Tickets will be going on sale for all of these shows on Friday, July 14 - most likely internet and phone sales only...more information will be forthcoming soon.


I shudder at what these ticket prices are going to be.




<<<shudder>>>

[Randall]

Here's an article from the wire (http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=141340).

[Quince]

Here's an article from the wire (http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=141340).

Thanks for linking that, Randall. From that article:

"'We need to go to Tennessee to pick up some fireworks, and someone owes me money in Kentucky,' says Waits about why he's chosen this particular time and route to tour."

I guess I won't be making the trip to Louisville after all....

[skirob]

I shudder at what these ticket prices are going to be.

<<<shudder>>>
It IS Tom Waits so it's a "sure thing" and will be worth whatever the cost. What I shudder at is the price of tickets on e-bay 20 minutes after going on sale and after Ticketbastard has locked up my pc, thus preventing my purchase.

[Randall]

It IS Tom Waits so it's a "sure thing" and will be worth whatever the cost. What I shudder at is the price of tickets on e-bay 20 minutes after going on sale and after Ticketbastard has locked up my pc, thus preventing my purchase.

Yeah ... what I was shuddering at iss that I know I'll pay, and with less hesitation than I would over, say, car repairs.

[AC]

Ticket prices will be announced in the next couple of days. Prices are very reasonable by today's standards, especially given how rare a Tom Waits performance is. About the same as Prince at the Arena a year ago.

Ticket sales will most likely be limited to 2 per customer and available only through phone and internet. The best seats will be available by Will Call only, which means that only the purchaser will be able to pick them up on the night of the show with photo id. All of which is intended to reduce scalping of tickets.

[Carl Snow]

I shudder at what these ticket prices are going to be.


no shit, I REALLY wanna go buuut if the tickets are over 25 bucks each ... well.

[Randall]

Ticket prices will be announced in the next couple of days. Prices are very reasonable by today's standards, especially given how rare a Tom Waits performance is. About the same as Prince at the Arena a year ago.

Ticket sales will most likely be limited to 2 per customer and available only through phone and internet. The best seats will be available by Will Call only, which means that only the purchaser will be able to pick them up on the night of the show with photo id. All of which is intended to reduce scalping of tickets.

Good plan.

[The Skillet]

Good plan.

Actually, I'm a little bummed. I was planning to pay my way through college scalping these tickets. Oh well, back to the streets.

[spinetingler]

The best seats will be available by Will Call only, which means that only the purchaser will be able to pick them up on the night of the show with photo id..

That's pretty cool.

[jah]

Very reasonable by today's standards for Tom Waits ... I'm guessing $45 a ticket for a decent but not great seat.

Should we start a pool?

[Quince]

Very reasonable by today's standards for Tom Waits ... I'm guessing $45 a ticket for a decent but not great seat.

Should we start a pool?

Are you *sure* you guys want to forego wedding presents?

[I.C.U.]

i think prince was like 80-85 bucks but he gave everybody a cd and a kiss.

[Randall]

i think prince was like 80-85 bucks but he gave everybody a cd and a kiss.

Prince's last show here was just $45. And you got the CD and the kiss.

[F-Stop]

I just found this blog link via KEXP in Seattle:

http://tomwaits.radicalwacko.com/



Yes, you heard it, it’s official, HE IS GOING ON tour. Just got the following details from Stewart Ross on the Raindogs mailing list:

Iconoclast and reclusive touring artist TOM WAITS is making an unprecedented move by taking his always unpredictably stunning live show on the road, mostly in cities (Atlanta, Memphis, Louisville, Nashville) where he hasn’t been seen on stage since the mid-to-late ’70s. As for Asheville, NC, Tom has never played a gig; he hasn’t performed in Akron, OH or Detroit since the ’80s. The most recent stop on this extraordinary tour is Chicago, where Waits played the Chicago Theater for three sold out nights on his “Mule Variations” tour in ‘99.

“We need to go to Tennessee to pick up some fireworks, and someone owes me money in Kentucky,” says Waits about why he’s chosen this particular time and route to tour.

When this two-time Grammy-winner last performed live in 2004, tickets sold out in hours, if not minutes. His most recent live date in London sold out in 30 minutes, with over 150,000 ticket requests received within the first hour. Waits’ three previous North American concerts (two in Vancouver, Canada and one in Seattle) were also snapped up in record time.

“His concert was a nostalgic trip through freak shows, murder ballads, and ruminations on lost love,” wrote Charles R. Cross in Rolling Stone after 2004 performance at Seattle’s Paramount Theater. “He didn’t so much sing these songs as he wheezed, whistled, and shouted them, shaking his fist like a craps player on a roll. Mining his recent Real Gone.Waits created a world of haunting characters adrift in a bygone age.”

In other news, Paste magazine has just issued its collector’s edition citing the “100 Best Living Songwriters,” with Tom Waits and Kathleen Brennan (longtime co-writer, co-producer and wife) clocking in at #4. According to Paste, “In literature, only a handful of writers have pulled off the near impossible. In music, it happens on every Tom Waits recording.”

Look for local ads in the regional papers for on sale dates. The first show in Atlanta goes on sale July 8.

Tour dates are as follows:

DATE CITY/STATE VENUE

Tues, Aug 1 Atlanta, GA Tabernacle

Wed, Aug 2 Asheville, NC Thomas Wolfe Auditorium

Fri, Aug 4 Memphis, TN Orpheum Theatre

Sat, Aug 5 Nashville, TN Ryman Auditorium

Mon, Aug 7 Louisville, KY Palace Theatre

Wed, Aug 9 Chicago, IL Auditorium Theatre

Fri, Aug 11 Detroit, MI Opera House

Sun, Aug 13 Akron, OH Akron Civic

He also let us know that tickets for Atlanta will go on sale on July 8th. The rest will go on sale on July 14th or 15th.

This is exciting news and a great chance to see this elusive artist.

[AC]

Prince's last show here was just $45. And you got the CD and the kiss.

Prince's last show cost around $75 plus service charges (for most of the seats at least).

[skirob]

Atlanta is listed as $60 and $65 plus service charges.
Sounds about right.

[F-Stop]

Already got my room reserved in Nashville.

Now mission one is getting tix.

[Randall]

Prince's last show cost around $75 plus service charges (for most of the seats at least).

Maybe I didn't get those seats. I was pretty sure about that price. But I've slept since then.

Okay, I looked it up ... I'm Mr. "Look-up" today: $65 or $49.50, plus service charges

[Randall]

Already got my room reserved in Nashville.

Now mission one is getting tix.

Yeah, I'm gonna try for Nashville, too. The "limit two per buyer" is a pain, because I might need three together.

[F-Stop]

Concert info is up on the Ryman website now. Concert is Saturday, August 5 at 8:00 pm, tickets are $76.50 and $44.50 (limited and obstructed view).

Tickets are on sale Friday, July 14th at noon, online and phone only. Hard tickets only - Ticketmaster TicketFast tickets not available.

[Quince]

$44.50 (limited and obstructed view)

I've heard no gesture of his performance is to be missed, so I wonder whether these are worthwhile. On the other hand, it might not matter. "The piano/has been drinking," etc.

[jah]

Wow. It's obviously been a long time since I've been to a big show. To me, $130 for two tickets is a bit steep.

But whatever.

[JakeOtender]

Woke up at 9 this morning to try for Atlanta tix and was put through the ringer, ticketmaster-style. I was able to repeatedly secure 2 tickets, but there was a glitch on the page that designated "will call" tix as "for international customers only". Thus, my account was routinely rejected for an excrutiating twenty minutes until all the tickets were swept up and Tom Waits slipped through my sweaty fingertips...:-( I talked to a nice ticketmaster lady on the phone and she said that they didn't notice the glitch until the tickets went on sale.

[F-Stop]

Woke up at 9 this morning to try for Atlanta tix and was put through the ringer, ticketmaster-style. I was able to repeatedly secure 2 tickets, but there was a glitch on the page that designated "will call" tix as "for international customers only". Thus, my account was routinely rejected for an excrutiating twenty minutes until all the tickets were swept up and Tom Waits slipped through my sweaty fingertips...:-( I talked to a nice ticketmaster lady on the phone and she said that they didn't notice the glitch until the tickets went on sale.

Wah!!!

That sucks...I heard on another board that they went fast...

[cmp]

Does anyone know if the Asheville tix go on sale at the same time as the Ryman? Ticketmaster doesn't list them yet...

[Carl Snow]

Wow. It's obviously been a long time since I've been to a big show. To me, $130 for two tickets is a bit steep.

But whatever.

i'm with ya on that, man ! ...(even the 'But whatever.').

[rest ommited cause i started to sound like an old and bitter man with bills to pay]

[F-Stop]

Does anyone know if the Asheville tix go on sale at the same time as the Ryman? Ticketmaster doesn't list them yet...

I think Asheville goes on sale the 14th as well, but I don't know for sure. If I were you, i'd call them directly. A post I read on another forum I browse told of a horror story of calling Ticketmaster over and over for T.W. Atlanta tickets, only to find that he needed to contact the Tabernacle directly. So he lost out. :(

http://ashevilleciviccenter.com/

I think this is the website for the Thomas Wolfe auditorium.

[I.C.U.]

Haven't you heard?

85 is the new 35.

With gas, production costs and artist guarnatees soaring, might as well get used to it. I paid 120+ to see Annie Lennox & Sting, 80+ for Sade (and I was far away)..hell..I think I paid close to that to see Radiohead! Paid it for U2..twice! I don't regret any of them. I'll do it again but I agree, it's alot of moolah.

C.U.

[chyna]

Asheville and Nashville tickets both go on sale this Friday, the 14th, at 10 a.m. That is, 10 a.m. EST for Asheville and 10 a.m. CST for Nashville, of course. Only available via Ticketmaster.com and the Ticketmaster call centers - no walk-up/box office sales. If you call either the Ryman or Thomas Wolfe, they will not be able to see you tickets!

[F-Stop]

Asheville and Nashville tickets both go on sale this Friday, the 14th, at 10 a.m. That is, 10 a.m. EST for Asheville and 10 a.m. CST for Nashville, of course. Only available via Ticketmaster.com and the Ticketmaster call centers - no walk-up/box office sales. If you call either the Ryman or Thomas Wolfe, they will not be able to see you tickets!

Really? According to the Ryman website, tickets go on sale at noon on the 14th, which i'm assuming is CST. I called the Ryman on Friday, but the lady who answered the phone told me to check the website over the weekend for more info.

Thanks for the info...

[chyna]

Sorry, I obviously had some old information. I have just confirmed that Nashville tickets do go on sale at noon on Friday.

[Carl Snow]

Haven't you heard?
85 is the new 35.



lol ... true ... very-very true ... was just laughing w/ Cin about seeing (seperately) AC/DC with (i THINK) Pat Travers opening, for 5 'r' 6 bucks--great show btw ... 'twas the "78/79 Powerage Tour", if poor-memory serves) ...
Angus riding around on Bons back...Suh-Weet!

so
85 is the new 5 ? (after being the new 15, 20, 25, ...)

call me / i mean HER ... and lets R I DE, Grrl ! Ya missed a great one yesterday!
Miss ya 'in da pack' ;~)

[AC]

Yeah, I remember paying .27 for a gallon of gas back then, too.

[Carl Snow]

Ya mean they HAD gas (and cars) back when you were a teen!? **Gasp!**


j/k

[AC]

I hate to admit it, but for half of the seventies, I wasn't a teen.

[Randall]

I hate to admit it, but for half of the seventies, I wasn't a teen.

Don't let it get you down. I wasn't a teen at all in the '70s.

[earlnemo]

Here's an article from the wire (http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=141340).

The only show I can make is Detroit. Might even be able to get airfare cheaper than the ticket! Ticketmaster is giving no info as to date of ticket sale. Where else can I find that? I've google all I know to goog...
I'll be much oblidged for any help.

[F-Stop]

The only show I can make is Detroit. Might even be able to get airfare cheaper than the ticket! Ticketmaster is giving no info as to date of ticket sale. Where else can I find that? I've google all I know to goog...
I'll be much oblidged for any help.

Detroit show info is at Ticketmaster.com now:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/736410

Fri, 07/14/06 10:00 AM

[Hank IV]

I remember loading band and sound gear up and down the fire escape of Flamingos for $6 an hour.

[Carl Snow]

I remember loading band and sound gear up and down the fire escape of Flamingos for $6 an hour.

damn Hank!, I remember loading gear up and down that same mean-ass fire escape at Flamingos for $6 (after band-tab) a night ;) viva la rawk!

[Hank IV]

I bow in your presense. As the owner of Bob's Country Bunker said to John Belushi "You boys drank a lot of Goddamn beer."

[Randall]

Here's Tom on the Late Show back when "Real Gone" came out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwiZKCtC3Q

It's a great story he tells.

[shoetick]

Less than 24 hours before the show in Asheville. Who all is going to the asheville show?

[Georgia]

When you find yourself coherent after the show...give us the lowdown, ok?

[shoetick]

When you find yourself coherent after the show...give us the lowdown, ok?

We decided to drive back after the show so one of us will need to be sober to make it over the mountain.

[Rose]

I know im young. Mabey I dont understand all the stuff involed. I know youve got booking agents, managers, tour managers, arena directors and so on, but everytime I go to see a concert these days I cant even afford to by a freaking t-shirt. Paying up to $85 a ticket(after they attach every universal tax possible) for nosebleed seats, seams quite crazy. Will sombody explain to me why it is so expensive....

[skirob]

Less than 24 hours before the show in Asheville. Who all is going to the asheville show?
I'm there.

[Michael]

Amy and I will be there.
w00t!
~m.

[Smootz]

Nashvile bound

[Gnaw Parker]

I thought I'd change it up this week, instead of stalking the patio, I'll be stalking Tom Waits.

[Carl Snow]

Paying up to $85 a ticket(after they attach every universal tax possible) for nosebleed seats, seams quite crazy.


yup.
and as long as folks will pay $85 a ticket for 'nosebleed seats' there will be folks standing in line to sell them those $85 'nosebleed seat' tickets.
...i think Cin & i finally drew the line when a Stones (Cins fav) show (90's) cost us $70 for ozone-seats. (stops self from ranting).

[Randall]

Nashvile bound

Me too. I'll look around for ya.

[Corvus]

I found this posted on another board (http://blackrider23.com/tomwaitsfantemp/viewtopic.php?p=17760#17760) but I think it's accurate:


Make It Rain
Hoist that Rag
Shore Leave
God's Away on Business
November
'Til the Money Runs Out
Blue Valentine
Lucky Day*
Tango til they're Sore*
House Where Nobody Lives*
Don't Go into that Barn
(Lie to Me, Baby)
Whislin' Past the Graveyard
9th & Hennepin
Trampled Rose
Get Behind the Mule
Murder in the Red Barn
Shake It
--(encore 1)
Singapore
Goin' Out West
--(encore 2)
Day After Tomorrow
Heartattack & Vine (Spoonful tease)

*Tom on piano, Larry Taylor on upright bass


Corvus

[Corvus]

That website (http://blackrider23.com/tomwaitsfantemp/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=7414db17a4f067ebe9bcb5611845cba5) also has a page that is specifically for trading and selling tickets (at no more than face value) for shows. Noice.

Corvus

[AC]

yup.
and as long as folks will pay $85 a ticket for 'nosebleed seats' there will be folks standing in line to sell them those $85 'nosebleed seat' tickets.
...i think Cin & i finally drew the line when a Stones (Cins fav) show (90's) cost us $70 for ozone-seats. (stops self from ranting).

The Tom Waits shows are in 2000 seat venues so there really aren't any "nosebleed" seats.
It's true that market forces determine ticket prices. The Waits tickets could have been much, much more expensive, as you can see from the brokers what people are actually willing to pay. When this happens, only third parties are making the money - not the artist, the promoter, or the venues.
Frustrating for everyone, especially those who are trying to keep those ticket prices within reason.

In the case of a Tom Waits show, it's a very special event. Tom has performed less than 2 dozen times in the past two decades in the United States. Seen through that lens, the ticket price is a bargain, and many people have commented to me that they were pleasantly surprised by how reasonable they were.

I wish ticket prices were lower because I want people to have more funds to attend more concert events. Generally, however, when you compare the cost of concerts to similar activities - whether sporting events, Broadway shows, eating out, etc. etc. - they really aren't that out of line. And they're often even more expensive in other countries.

I understand the frustration, especially for those who simply can't afford it. But I'm also somewhat surprised by the response by some people who claim to love music and live performance but are unwilling to support it unless prices are at a ridiculously substandard level. There's an irony there, no? "I love music but I don't think it worth my money."

I get to see Tom Waits three times this week though. I'm psyched!

[DanceDiva]

My brother went to the show at the Tabernacle last night. Haven't yet heard how it was.

[Randall]

My buddy in Altanta sent me this little report (http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/brown/archives/2006/08/tom_waits_in_at.shtml) on Waits' Tabernacle show.

[chyna]

A limited number of tickets have just been released for the Asheville show. You can get them via Ticketmaster. Hurry! They will go fast!

The same policies apply - two tickets per purchaser, photo ID and credit card must be shown at Will Call to pick them up, etc.

[Carl Snow]

The Tom Waits shows are in 2000 seat venues so there really aren't any "nosebleed" seats.

Since it’s you quoting me, keep in mind that I was quoting someone else as well, and that I, (probably)like her, was using the term to illustrate how ‘bad’ the situation has gotten.
It had nothing to do at all (for me) with Tom Waits, although I do think that that show was/is overpriced by whoever/whatever. (I don’t care ‘who’ when I pay; I only care “how much”, Dig?)


In the case of a Tom Waits show, it's a very special event. Tom has performed less than 2 dozen times in the past two decades in the United States. Seen through that lens, the ticket price is a bargain, and many people have commented to me that they were pleasantly surprised by how reasonable they were.
So … following that reasoning, Mission of Burma (near 20 year absence) should be charging $80+ per show and I should be happy with that? (Okay, MoB is a bit of a stretch … but I think you get my meaning).


I wish ticket prices were lower because I want people to have more funds to attend more concert events.
I agree with the fact and sentiment of that statement 1,000% !


Generally, however, when you compare the cost of concerts to similar activities - whether sporting events, Broadway shows, eating out, etc. etc. - they really aren't that out of line.
I really don’t do any of the above (the occasional Nixon’s deli excluded) myself, -[trying to make point minus coming off as sounding snarky]- so that comparison is useless, as a concession, to me (or Cin).


And they're often even more expensive in other countries.
[Laughing while trying to make another point minus coming off as sounding snarky]
Gee, I feel so much better knowing that tickets cost even more in Latvia-etc (could not resist).
No, really Ashley, I live here … I don’t really care what a Londoner would pay.


I understand the frustration, especially for those who simply can't afford it.
For me it’s insanely frustrating.
A few unexpected things happened here last week (Dog to Vet and so on) that, due to their fiscal drain, will cause me (Cin, was going to stay home so I could go to both, she's so damn sweet) to miss seeing two of my current, ‘top-5’, 'favorite guitarists in the world' in a great venue with wonderful sound. So yeah, “for those who simply can't afford it” it simply sucks.


But I'm also somewhat surprised by the response by some people who claim to love music and live performance but are unwilling to support it unless prices are at a ridiculously substandard level. There's an irony there, no? "I love music but I don't think it worth my money."
I hope to hell you aren’t lumping me in with that group.


I get to see Tom Waits three times this week though. I'm psyched!
I happy for you (honestly), and bright green with envy lol ->(perhaps you could download your memories of these gotta be great shows and find a way to upload them into my head. Please. Do try.

[F-Stop]

AC you lucky devil. Three shows!

I don't know what any of you look like, (except Jack Frost, heheh, who does indeed have stairs in his house), but i'll be at the Ryman on Saturday night, right of the stage in the front of the balcony, stomping and cheering Tom Waits!

I bought two premium seats at the Ryman, and they were expensive, but they were also a steal at face value!

[skirob]

I totally see where you're coming from Carl. Here's my take.

I bought two tickets to see Tom Waits in Asheville the day that they went on sale. Price seemed fair to me given that it IS a living legend (at least in my mind). Fast forward 2 weeks and I discover that one of my dogs has a torn ACL and needs knee surgery. Very, insanely expensive surgery (had it yesterday). I knew I could get good money for the Waits tix so I tossed around the idea of selling them.........for about 5 seconds. I know, that in 6 months, when the dogs knee is healed and I am recovering from the financial hit, that I will kick myself in the ass for missing my opportunity to see Tom Waits.

T-45 minutes and I'm on the road and man am I pumped. For anyone attending tonight, I'll be in the 90.3/Funhouse shirt so don't be a stranger.

Cheers!

[Hank IV]

Atta boy, Carl. Until one party in the food-chain (artist, artist managment, booking agent, promoter and to a lesser extent vendors such as sound, lights, security, venue, transportation, ticket outlets, insurance etc) decides to take a little less profit (even 3-5%) it's not going to get any better. Imagine if everyone involved took a very, very slight cut how much ticket price could fall and how many more people could buy tix. Make money on volume.

[Carl Snow]

I know, that in 6 months, when the dogs knee is healed and I am recovering from the financial hit, that I will kick myself in the ass for missing my opportunity to see Tom Waits.

I can dig it, Rob ... thing is Cin and I simply do not have the means, at this time, to count on being able to recover from that 'financial hit', Bro. Really. So it would be a gamble for us; too much of a gamble to stake paying KUB on. ;)


How's your Dawg man? ... I hate hearing that.

[Shinola]

Atta boy, Carl. Until one party in the food-chain (artist, artist managment, booking agent, promoter and to a lesser extent vendors such as sound, lights, security, venue, transportation, ticket outlets, insurance etc) decides to take a little less profit (even 3-5%) it's not going to get any better. Imagine if everyone involved took a very, very slight cut how much ticket price could fall and how many more people could buy tix. Make money on volume.

Why take less money when you can take more? Seriously. Why?

[Hank IV]

Why take less money when you can take more? Seriously. Why?

Make more people happy.

[Carl Snow]

Atta boy, Carl. Until one party in the food-chain (artist, artist managment, booking agent, promoter and to a lesser extent vendors such as sound, lights, security, venue, transportation, ticket outlets, insurance etc) decides to take a little less profit (even 3-5%) it's not going to get any better. Imagine if everyone involved took a very, very slight cut how much ticket price could fall and how many more people could buy tix. Make money on volume.

Damn Hank, I wish I had posted that! ...given your occupation I'm glad you did instead though. ;)

Its funny (in a sick way) how greed can actually end up screwing 'the greedy', aint it?

[skirob]

How's your Dawg man? ... I hate hearing that.
She's laying around resting. Seems to be doing really well. I didn't realize the extent to which I would become physical therapist and canine pharmacist. I called HiTops wife (she used to work in a vet) last night freaking out over giving my first canine injection. Fortunately that went well. We have a long road ahead (at least 12 weeks in a kennel), but she'll get through and will be fetching balls again. And fetch she will because even though she's 10 years old, we're going to make sure that we get our money's worth out of that damn knee! :)

[jeffx]

meanwhile, carl, mission of burma played chicago last weekend at the pitchfork music fest along with spoon, os mutantes, silver jews, futureheads, yo la tengo and about 20 other bands.

$30 for 2 days.

just throwin' that out there.

[Carl Snow]

She's laying around resting. Seems to be doing really well. I didn't realize the extent to which I would become physical therapist and canine pharmacist.

Glad to hear it! :) ...
and dont even get me started on that whole "physical therapist and canine pharmacist" thang though, Bro ...*WHEW!* ... but be-leeeve me I feel ya!

[Carl Snow]

meanwhile, carl, mission of burma played chicago last weekend at the pitchfork music fest along with spoon, os mutantes, silver jews, futureheads, yo la tengo and about 20 other bands.

$30 for 2 days.

just throwin' that out there.

i'm gonna cry now. ya happy!?

did you see this ?

[Shinola]

Make more people happy.

That's really nice and all, but we're talking about a business here.

These people aren't in it to make people happy as much as they are to get some money so that they can buy stuff. I mean, I'm sure folks in the music business derive some pleasure out of providing entertainment to the public, but take away profitability and I guarantee all of them find something else to do with their day.

Take it if you can get it...

[Carl Snow]

That's really nice and all, but we're talking about a business here.

These people aren't in it to make people happy as much as they are to get some money so that they can buy stuff. I mean, I'm sure folks in the music business derive some pleasure out of providing entertainment to the public, but take away profitability and I guarantee all of them find something else to do with their day.

Take it if you can get it...

...you talking about the artists ??

or did I 'not get' ya.

[Shinola]

...you talking about the artists ??

or did I 'not get' ya.

Naw I'll give it to the artists. They seem to do it for the love.

I'm talking about the business end. All of the folks that Hank suggested take a smaller cut, I say they'd be nuts to do so. But maybe that's just me....

[Hank IV]

I'm not saying not make a profit by ANY means, I make my living (a comfortable one) in the live music business. But what good are the arts or entertainment if no one can afford to partake of them, or when only a small section of society can?

[Shinola]

I'm not saying not make a profit by ANY means, I make my living (a comfortable one) in the live music business. But what good are the arts or entertainment if no one can afford to partake of them, or when only a small section of society can?

I take your point, but the market dictates the equilibrium between amount of folks that can or are willing to fork over the money, and profitability for those in the business. I'm just saying that people are making money the way things are now, and until that changes, ain't nothin gonna change...nor should it for that matter.

[Hank IV]

You should work for an oil company.

Seriously, I guess it's just how a person looks at things. I want everybody to be able to afford to the the shows that would like to. Maybe then they'll buy a shirt or CD that the artist makes money on.

[Carl Snow]

Naw I'll give it to the artists. They seem to do it for the love.

...ah, Okay ... yeah, I think most do. (the good'uns)


I'm talking about the business end. All of the folks that Hank suggested take a smaller cut, I say they'd be nuts to do so. But maybe that's just me....

I hope so (but know it aint so).

[skirob]

I'm not saying not make a profit by ANY means, I make my living (a comfortable one) in the live music business. But what good are the arts or entertainment if no one can afford to partake of them, or when only a small section of society can?
This would be a good point to mention that Scott Miller is playing for FREE tomorrow on Market Square.

[F-Stop]

meanwhile, carl, mission of burma played chicago last weekend at the pitchfork music fest along with spoon, os mutantes, silver jews, futureheads, yo la tengo and about 20 other bands.

$30 for 2 days.

just throwin' that out there.

*salivates*

Did you go to Pitchfork, Jeffx?

[Carl Snow]

I'm just saying that people are making money the way things are now, and until that changes, ain't nothin gonna change...nor should it for that matter.

I call bullshit.

it SHOULD change.

there is a big difference between 'making money' and unabashed greed.

[Hank IV]

This would be a good point to mention that Scott Miller is playing for FREE tomorrow on Market Square.

Yes it would. And believe it or not, I'm stage manager and am doing the show at a much reduced rate. (50% less)

H4

Talkin' the talk, walkin' the walk.

[Carl Snow]

Talkin' the talk, walkin' the walk.

True Dat!

we need more like ya Hank, yer a rare breed.

[Shinola]

H4

Talkin' the talk, walkin' the walk.

Excellent.

[Hank IV]

Awww...shucks...

[jeffx]

no, i didn't go to chicago. i wish. i know a lot of folks who did.

$30 is actually more than i can afford right now. that's how profitable it is to be an artist these days.

[F-Stop]

no, i didn't go to chicago. i wish. i know a lot of folks who did.

$30 is actually more than i can afford right now. that's how profitable it is to be an artist these days.

That sucks man :(

I'm a photographer, but I never get to shoot my stuff. But I do get to go to Tom Waits, so I guess I shouldn't complain. I just wish I could balance the client stuff/my stuff equation a bit more.

[Carl Snow]

$30 is actually more than i can afford right now. that's how profitable it is to be an artist these days.

[use redneck voice]I heard that [/use redneck voice]

and Teaching (apart from being VERY rewarding) won't get ya that big bling either...

funny thing is ... about 4 of my students will be at either the Buckethead or Friz shows [howls in angst-filled laughter]

[jeffx]

That sucks man :(

eh, i'm used to it. no one told me i was gonna get rich playing powerpop and designing wine menus, and i probably would have laughed at them if they had.

still, i don't remember it being quite this bleak back when clinton was in office. hmmm...

[Carl Snow]

icing on cake =

Hank, Jeff -etc- (yall know)
you'll get a kick outta this. lol. after all this talk of money and not having it and having it and all these past pages...I go up to eat supper
<my 5pm was a no-show, [gee thanks] and 4pm is on vacation) but that happens -- i take that in stride>
anyways... I go up to eat supper and Cin is holding a 'collection notice' in her hands. I KNEW I didn't owe anyone, but, still, it wigged me for a minute. the I look to see who wants money ... [drumroll please] Guitar World magazine! wtf! I cant stand that rag -- i've never had a subscription to that rag, yet i get some guy in NYC telling me about my outstanding 12 issue debt. now I have to prove I don't subscribe to said rag.
greed
greed
greed
this fucking world turns on a dollar (honest or not)

[rivers]

icing on cake =

Hank, Jeff -etc- (yall know)
you'll get a kick outta this. lol. after all this talk of money and not having it and having it and all these past pages...I go up to eat supper
<my 5pm was a no-show, [gee thanks] and 4pm is on vacation) but that happens -- i take that in stride>
anyways... I go up to eat supper and Cin is holding a 'collection notice' in her hands. I KNEW I didn't owe anyone, but, still, it wigged me for a minute. the I look to see who wants money ... [drumroll please] Guitar World magazine! wtf! I cant stand that rag -- i've never had a subscription to that rag, yet i get some guy in NYC telling me about my outstanding 12 issue debt. now I have to prove I don't subscribe to said rag.
greed
greed
greed
this fucking world turns on a dollar (honest or not)

Oh shit, I forgot to tell you I signed you up for a GW subscription last year.
Sorry dude :)

[Randall]

Staring at this thread's topic headline keeps making me think of Ben & Jerry's. What would the "Tom Waits Scoop" be?

[rivers]

Staring at this thread's topic headline keeps making me think of Ben & Jerry's. What would the "Tom Waits Scoop" be?


Cigarettes and day old Scotch with some Caffeine sprinkles?



Mmmmmm.

[skirob]

Asheville was amazing. He is truly captivating. I seriously could have sat there for hours and have Tom just go on and on. He seemed to really dig the audience. He mixed up the setlist between Atlanta and Asheville so I can't imagine what Nashville will be treated to.

[Carl Snow]

Asheville was amazing. He is truly captivating. I seriously could have sat there for hours and have Tom just go on and on. He seemed to really dig the audience. He mixed up the setlist between Atlanta and Asheville so I can't imagine what Nashville will be treated to.


so ... got any setlist onYa?

[skirob]

so ... got any setlist onYa?
Sure, lemme throw this out first.................

DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE SETLIST
Somebody hitting Nashvegas may not want to see it.


So,

Singapore
Make it Rain
Hoist That Rag
Shore Leave
November
Gods Away on Business
'Til the money Runs out
All The World Is Green
Tango 'Til Their Sore
Invitation to the Blues
You Can Never Hold Back Spring
Clap Hands
Whistling Past The Graveyard
Heartattack and Vine
Lie to Me Baby
What's He Building in There
Trampled Rose
Get Behind the Mule
Murder in the Red Barn
Goin' out West
Down In The Hole
Blue Valentine
Dont Go into that Barn

[Carl Snow]

Great set! (thanks for posting it) Wish I could'a seen it.
Looks like Tom represented 'the whole' rather than simply 'the last few years' as so many do ... very cool.

[Randall]

Sure, lemme throw this out first.................

DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE SETLIST
Somebody hitting Nashvegas may not want to see it.


Is that in order first-to-last? If so, it is curious that he started with "Singapore" in Asheville, while it was an encore in Atlanta. That's mixing it up pretty good.

[skirob]

Is that in order first-to-last? If so, it is curious that he started with "Singapore" in Asheville, while it was an encore in Atlanta. That's mixing it up pretty good.
Yes, it is in order.

[Randall]

Yes, it is in order.

I guess that was weird question. Because why would you post a set-list out-of-order? I just think it's interesting that an artist would open on show with a song that was an encore the previous night. Sort of like it was still on his mind or something. I guess that's an offshoot from a repertoir such as this one. Me stop pondering unsignificant things now.

[Michael]

Staring at this thread's topic headline keeps making me think of Ben & Jerry's. What would the "Tom Waits Scoop" be?

That it's getting harder to get a bad cup of coffee.

Kickass show.
Y'all have fun in Na$hville.
~m.

[skirob]

That it's getting harder to get a bad cup of coffee.

Instant. My jar. My water.

[Gnaw Parker]

That it's getting harder to get a bad cup of coffee.

Kickass show.
Y'all have fun in Na$hville.
~m.

I had a hard time understanding his reedy asides which was made worse by Mr. WooHoo! Tennessee! sitting behind me.
But the coffee bit was funny as hell.

Instant.
My coffee. My water. My cup.

[shoetick]

That it's getting harder to get a bad cup of coffee.

Kickass show.
Y'all have fun in Na$hville.
~m.

Yes, mr. do little. We had a jerk behind us that thought it was his job to yell if tom used a verb, so every time he spoke the dick cut off the last half of most sentences and the first half of the next. Had a great time though and thought the show / set list was great. From our seats I thought the sound was a little low, but i think that was because of being under the balcony. Did you think that about the other side michael? Skirob where did you sit and how was the volume for you?

[skirob]

Hey, any of you guys that went to Asheville. Did you get caught up in traffic on the drive home? We made it out and on the interstate in mere minutes after the show and not 10 minutes up the road I came upon an accident that had just occured. Guy was just getting out of car and I almost ran into his mauled Jeep. It looked like that was going to create quite a mess. Fast forward to Knoxville and same thing happened again around 640. Two pick-up trucks with trailers and shit strewn all over the road. I was about 30 seconds shy of being involved in this one too. Once again, appeared that traffic was going to start backing up pretty bad. Just wondering if anyone got stuck sitting in either mess.

[Gnaw Parker]

We got caught in a short traffic jam due to construction just into our trip, but didn't see any of the accidents.

[shoetick]

Hey, any of you guys that went to Asheville. Did you get caught up in traffic on the drive home? We made it out and on the interstate in mere minutes after the show and not 10 minutes up the road I came upon an accident that had just occured. Guy was just getting out of car and I almost ran into his mauled Jeep. It looked like that was going to create quite a mess. Fast forward to Knoxville and same thing happened again around 640. Two pick-up trucks with trailers and shit strewn all over the road. I was about 30 seconds shy of being involved in this one too. Once again, appeared that traffic was going to start backing up pretty bad. Just wondering if anyone got stuck sitting in either mess.

Didn't see any accidents but trafficewas backed up for a little bit when we got onto 40 due to the 1 lane construction zone. we get off at asheville hwy so didnt make it to 640.

[Michael]

From our seats I thought the sound was a little low, but i think that was because of being under the balcony. Did you think that about the other side michael?Eh, we didn't have the interference you guys had from the woo-hooers (most of which came from your side, so I assumed it was you). I'm guessing sound was a little better toward the center of the house, but it was quite passable considering where we were.

Did you get caught up in traffic on the drive home? Nah. Amy and had a room at the Daze Inn (to get that proper Tom Waits flophouse feel). We hit the Bier Garden after the show for a few before walking back. Breakfast from Early Girl.
~m.

[Smootz]

Breakfast from Early Girl.

mmmMMMmmm Early Girl. I would never have believed that vegetarian sawmill gravy would be good on my biscuit.

[DnB]

Hey Michael. Glad you guys made it back ok.
And that everyone made it back in one piece.

[skirob]

Skirob where did you sit and how was the volume for you?
I was in the rear left, balcony, 3rd row. I thought the sound was good. I agree that it could have been a touch louder but I just thought that was where I was sitting. I had a girl behind me that yelled out a few times and damn near scared the piss out of me every time. We also had a guy sitting on the aisle that felt compelled to jump up in the walkway and dance during Get Behind the Mule. I don't mean dance in place, but cut a rug all around the balcony. It looked like his acid kicked in and he just had to dance, ushers be damned. It was quite amusing up until he was escorted back to his seat for the 5th time.

Oh, and I had 2 empty seats next to me. Strange.

[shoetick]

Hey Michael. Glad you guys made it back ok.
And that everyone made it back in one piece.

well, the NC state policeman did request I pay my fine so I just let him cut off a finger for payment. Sadistic fucking cops.

[Gnaw Parker]

I tell ya what's sadistic. Putting a wristband on me so tight that my hand turned a shade darker. And it was decorated with smiley faces.

[he who]

Memphis set list....great and very long show.

Singapore
Make it Rain
Hoist That Rag
Shore Leave
Ain’t Going to the Well
Yesterday is Here
God’s Away on Business
Til’ the Money Runs Out
219 (My Baby’s Leaving on the)
Dead and Lovely
Tango Till They’re Sore
House Where Nobody Lives
The Ocean Doesn’t Want Me (Bobby Darin Remix)
Invitation to the Blues
Whistling Past the Graveyard
Heart Attack and Vine (with Spoonful by Willy Dixon)
Shake It
It Rains on Me (the Chuck E. Weiss song)
Circus
Trampled Rose
Get Behind the Mule
Murder in the Red Barn
Going out West
Encore:

Day after Tomorrow
Sins of the Father

[earlnemo]

God bless Tom Waits, and Todd steed.

Todd Steed turned me on to Waits in 1986. I was living with my first wife & farming in Culleoka, Tn. We drove into to Nashville one summer saturday night to see Smoking Dave on the Riverboat. After the show, I gave Todd 2 cantelopes I'd grown and a packet of lyrics; asked if he could set them to music. Todd doesn't know me, then or now, but his voice & music were what I imagined for these tunes, hence my proposition. A while later I got a tape in the mail. He had taped it over Swordfishtrombones and Raindogs, as I recall, but only about half of each side of the tape. It was excellent, despite my crappy lyrics, and I shortly thereafter began collecting Waits.

In '88 I was back in Knoxville, sans wife #1, living in in a hippy house on White St. The girl who would become wife #2 (in '97, but she's gone now too) chose my precious Todd tape to record a Depressy Mode album.

Damnit.

Thank you very much, Mister Zilla. I still owe ya. And thanks, Tom.

[Apeville]

God bless Tom Waits, and Todd steed.

Todd Steed turned me on to Waits in 1986. I was living with my first wife & farming in Culleoka, Tn. We drove into to Nashville one summer saturday night to see Smoking Dave on the Riverboat. After the show, I gave Todd 2 cantelopes I'd grown and a packet of lyrics; asked if he could set them to music. Todd doesn't know me, then or now, but his voice & music were what I imagined for these tunes, hence my proposition. A while later I got a tape in the mail. He had taped it over Swordfishtrombones and Raindogs, as I recall, but only about half of each side of the tape. It was excellent, despite my crappy lyrics, and I shortly thereafter began collecting Waits.

In '88 I was back in Knoxville, sans wife #1, living in in a hippy house on White St. The girl who would become wife #2 (in '97, but she's gone now too) chose my precious Todd tape to record a Depressy Mode album.

Damnit.

Thank you very much, Mister Zilla. I still owe ya. And thanks, Tom.


Hey Earlnemo- I remember you, the cantelopes, the lyrics, and the tape.

Those cantelopes were excellent- I say we are even.

Depressy Mode. Ouch.

Todd

[knoxville520]

Didn't realize there were two Tom Waits threads out there. I mentioned this on the other one already, but I posted a new piece about Waits on 520, if you wanna read it.

Nothin' fancy, but I do love the picture we used. Very hot!

(Am I wrong to think Tom Waits is "hot"?)