Grammy Thread in case anyone's watching

[spinetingler]

Green Day The Musical? Really?

[tardisrider]

I can't help it. I like Lady Gaga.

[jfm]

Green Day The Musical? Really?

i may need to come back to new york just to take zoller to that.

[spinetingler]

I can't help it. I like Lady Gaga.

Good opener with the original Lady Gaga.

[tardisrider]

They just named about a billion people in the "Coming up next..." segment before the advert. It occurred to me that there wasn't a person on the list that I'd devote hard drive space to, except maybe Smoky Robinson.

[tardisrider]

i may need to come back to new york just to take zoller to that.

It'll be at the TVA&I Fair in a couple of years.

[DnB]

Green Day The Musical? Really?


I can't help it. I like Lady Gaga.

Hmmm, American Idiot? Well, ok.

[Georgia]

i may need to come back to new york just to take zoller to that.

Think they said it opens in March-

[itchybro]

I'm sure Neil considers them all employees whose lives he's enriched.

[Sappho]

pink!

[Whispering Pines]

pink!

For real. That was a beautiful performance. If she was really singing, my hat is off for the level of difficulty. Our son (5 yrs.), who begged to stay up a little later to watch GaGa and Beyonce, asked why she was dipped in water. I told him that made it more "artistic." Though earlier he stated when Beyonce was gyrating across the stage, "well, she's giving me something I want to watch." Sigh. I'm not looking forward to the teenage years.

[Georgia]

For real. That was a beautiful performance. If she was really singing, my hat is off for the level of difficulty. Our son (5 yrs.), who begged to stay up a little later to watch GaGa and Beyonce, asked why she was dipped in water. I told him that made it more "artistic." Though earlier he stated when Beyonce was gyrating across the stage, "well, she's giving me something I want to watch." Sigh. I'm not looking forward to the teenage years.

Heh.
I think there was a reference to rain in the song she was singing...however, who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?

[spinetingler]

Though earlier he stated when Beyonce was gyrating across the stage, "well, she's giving me something I want to watch."

You owe me a new monitor.

[tardisrider]

Heh.
I think there was a reference to rain in the song she was singing...however, who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?

At one point the camera went to some dude in the audience who was looking a little worried about getting dripped on.

[Georgia]

At one point the camera went to some dude in the audience who was looking a little worried about getting dripped on.


How dare he? It'd be p!nk's drip- has he no idea what that means?

[tardisrider]

If you get Pink's Drip in the Navy, they give you a shot of penicillin.

[Whispering Pines]

How dare he? It'd be p!nk's drip- has he no idea what that means?

Exactly, how many times on network TV can you be absolutely certain a woman has had a Hollywood wax? That's entertainment!

[Gray]

who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?


who doesn't want to see a woman in a body suit dipped in water effortlessly twirling above them?

etc.

[Johnny Ringo]

After watching the Miss America pageant twice last night "my daughter" was frantic to find out when the Grammy show was on. Where do I go for the DNA test?

[Sappho]

After watching the Miss America pageant twice last night "my daughter" was frantic to find out when the Grammy show was on. Where do I go for the DNA test?

Well, she could be wanting to watch L Word reruns on LOGO!!!

(on second thought YOU might enjoy that!!!)

[tardisrider]

How Sweet. It looks like Taylor Swift is singing with her grandmother.

[Georgia]

Where were you supposed to get the 3-D glasses?

[Gray]

Wow, Taylor. You never know just what floor that pitch elevator's going to stop on. Damn, you look great, though.

[Sappho]

Where were you supposed to get the 3-D glasses?

AHH O I guess we are supposed to have such things these days. I feel so uncool.

[Georgia]

Wow, Taylor. You never know just what floor that pitch elevator's going to stop on. Damn, you look great, though.

Thank you. We know nothing about music but the past couple of times we've heard her live we were thinking the same thing.

[tardisrider]

If the world of Twitter is any indication, nobody else knew about the glasses either.

[Georgia]

Ya'll keep up with the rest of the show- I'm nursing a migraine and calling it a night!

[jfm]

Wow, Taylor. You never know just what floor that pitch elevator's going to stop on. Damn, you look great, though.

her inability to stay on key is sort of endearing imo. it makes her sort of unintentionally punk rock.

[spinetingler]

I gave up after the first hour. P wanted to watch Masterpiece Theatre and I had some overdubs to do.

[Whispering Pines]

her inability to stay on key is sort of endearing imo. it makes her sort of unintentionally punk rock.

If she were doing karaoke at Toot's on any given night, I would totally agree with you.

[Gray]

her inability to stay on key is sort of endearing imo. it makes her sort of unintentionally punk rock.

Well, she's trying. To be fair, I'd much rather listen to her vocals (surprisingly) unprocessed at the Grammys than be subjected to the fingernails-on-a-chalkboard horror that is live Autotune.

[jfm]

If she were doing karaoke at Toot's on any given night, I would totally agree with you.

would still rather listen to her than andrea bocelli.

[Whispering Pines]

would still rather listen to her than andrea bocelli.

Well, I agree. She is, at least, more "bubbly" and "charming."

[KO]

http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/taylorswift.jpg

[The Pullet Surprise]

her inability to stay on key is sort of endearing imo. it makes her sort of unintentionally punk rock.

Except that, unlike say Joey Ramone, she wouldn't have this so-called career without Autotune.

[jfm]

Except that, unlike say Joey Ramone, she wouldn't have this so-called career without Autotune.

she'd have a totally legit songwriting career and would be a millionaire anyway. the studio lets her sing her own stuff, which is ok with me.

[The Pullet Surprise]

No accounting for taste. She bores me beyond tears, but if you tune into this sort of industry stuff at all, it's impossible to avoid her. Her agent/PR team certainly earn their keep.

[fclake]

I'd be happy if Dave Mathews OD'd and choked on his own vomit while attempting autoerotic asphyxiation during a plane crash in which he is stabbed to death after being shot.

[jfm]

No accounting for taste. She bores me beyond tears, but if you tune into this sort of industry stuff at all, it's impossible to avoid her. Her agent/PR team certainly earn their keep.

yeah well that's a different question. just saying she gets to sing because she writes the songs, she wasn't like selected by some evil corporate plot. (and, ok, because she's a cute blonde chick. but there are lots of those.)

[Sappho]

(and, ok, because she's a cute blonde chick, but there are lots of those.)

yep! and I'd rather hear DnB sing! 8)

[The Pullet Surprise]

yeah well that's a different question. just saying she gets to sing because she writes the songs, she wasn't like selected by some evil corporate plot. (and, ok, because she's a cute blonde chick. but there are lots of those.)

If "hypoglycemic"+"mousy" = "cute?"

I guess.

[jfm]

If "hypoglycemic"+"mousy" = "cute?"

I guess.

i have heard arguments over which rodent she most resembles. i say chipmunk, but i can see the case for rat.

but there are cute rats.

[The Pullet Surprise]

Difference being, I bet you could teach a rat to sing "Rhiannon" on key.

[jfm]

Difference being, I bet you could teach a rat to sing "Rhiannon" on key.

are we back on the michael jackson tribute again?

http://hiphopandpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/michael_jackson_ben_frontblog.jpg

[Gray]

If "hypoglycemic"+"mousy" = "cute?"

I guess.

Damn. Tough room.

[pages]

Best of the night: Pink!

The ladies gaga

Jamie fox et al

jeff beck

[G-Ho]

her inability to stay on key is sort of endearing imo. it makes her sort of unintentionally punk rock.

There's no such thing as "unintentionally punk rock."* Punk rock is intention.



*The Shaggs, I know. There's always an exception.

[DnB]

yep! and I'd rather hear DnB sing! 8)

Ha. You're sweet. But I've been banned from singing in public (there's just never an autotune around when you need one.)

[Randall]

Was Vic Chesnutt included in the montage of departed musicians? Did they even do that this year?

[Rocky Hillian]

Ha. You're sweet. But I've been banned from singing in public (there's just never an autotune around when you need one.)

Have an Iphone? (http://www.cratekings.com/t-pain-auto-tune-iphone-app-coming-soon/)

[JMG]

I watched for a bit and maybe I missed it but did anybody sing the songs they were nominated for? Just seemed strange to me. I liked Pink's outfit, of course, but I couldn't understand the whole up in the air and wet thing. Then I'm old and don't understand a lot of stuff.
I was cracking up because neither me or my wife knew or had heard who any of the best new artists were.

[Sappho]

pink!


For real. That was a beautiful performance. If she was really singing, my hat is off for the level of difficulty. Our son (5 yrs.), who begged to stay up a little later to watch GaGa and Beyonce, asked why she was dipped in water. I told him that made it more "artistic." Though earlier he stated when Beyonce was gyrating across the stage, "well, she's giving me something I want to watch." Sigh. I'm not looking forward to the teenage years.

This morning's news said she was really singing!

[Sappho]

I watched for a bit and maybe I missed it but did anybody sing the songs they were nominated for? Just seemed strange to me. I liked Pink's outfit, of course, but I couldn't understand the whole up in the air and wet thing. Then I'm old and don't understand a lot of stuff.
I was cracking up because neither me or my wife knew or had heard who any of the best new artists were.

Performance art, related to the song she was singing, which I can't remember the title of!! :) JMG, I think we are offically out of the target audience!!

[NeilMcCauley]

"How High The Moon" with Jeff Beck and Imelda May was amazing.

[itchybro]

"How High The Moon" with Jeff Beck and Imelda May was amazing.


I couldn't tell from this vid but, was that Steve Miller playing rhythm? (Les was his first "teacher" as his dad and he were pretty tight)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdcUvhq_3do

Pretty much straight off the record. Pretty cool.

[NeilMcCauley]

I couldn't tell from this vid but, was that Steve Miller playing rhythm? (Les was his first "teacher" as his dad and he were pretty tight)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdcUvhq_3do

Pretty much straight off the record. Pretty cool.

I thought so too last night, but as far as I can tell it wasn't. I don't think Steve is that large.

Also, I was surprised Jeff didn't play an 'oxblood' since he went all "VOS" with the guitar choice. I mean, Gibson does make one, but that might have gone against his Fender contract.

[The Pullet Surprise]

Was Vic Chesnutt included in the montage of departed musicians? Did they even do that this year?

Yes, he was included. The panel before him even included Jay Bennett, which was something of a surprise.

[NeilMcCauley]

That was Darell Higham on the rhythm guitar, who I believe is her husband.

[itchybro]

Also, I was surprised Jeff didn't play an 'oxblood' since he went all "VOS" with the guitar choice. I mean, Gibson does make one, but that might have gone against his Fender contract.

He shoulda gone "Recording/Low Impedance" for the real deal!!

Still pretty impressive read. Good thing he did that Bluecaps record awhile back. Those chops are are obviously never far away.

[thedisobedients]

Heh, my mom remembers seeing Les Paul and Mary Ford doing How High The Moon on TV.

[Raincrow]

I'd be happy if Dave Mathews OD'd and choked on his own vomit while attempting autoerotic asphyxiation during a plane crash in which he is stabbed to death after being shot.

I instantly rev up from "don't like that guy" to "pissed off" every time I am unfortunate enough to surf onto one of his performances somewhere.

If you really want to appreciate Dave Matthews, turn on the closed captioning option so you can read the lyrics!

[Raincrow]

"How High The Moon" with Jeff Beck and Imelda May was amazing.

That was the only part of the Grammys I saw and it was a joy. And, I had no idea who the singer was but she and Beckola were definitely groovin'

A helluva salute to the Pauls. I mean Fords.

I mean Paul and Ford.

[Randall]

Yes, he was included. The panel before him even included Jay Bennett, which was something of a surprise.

Good to know.

[B-Boy]

Mary J is the bomb!

[itchybro]

Yes, he was included. The panel before him even included Jay Bennett (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbLvQkCwRc), which was something of a surprise.

That guy breaks my heart.

[I.C.U.]

Where were you supposed to get the 3-D glasses?

I just stared at it through the bottom of a wine bottle. Worked for me.

It was sad, though, to hear Micheal singing along side those other artists and realize what a huge talent has left the building. He could, not just sing but SANG. There's a difference.

[I.C.U.]

Wow, Taylor. You never know just what floor that pitch elevator's going to stop on. Damn, you look great, though.

No kidding!!!! Poor Stevie. She tried to hang but was finally like...ok...as long as the check clears. Give me my tambourine.

[Sappho]

http://www.popeater.com/2010/02/01/taylor-swift-grammys/?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeater.com%2F2010%2 F02%2F01%2Ftaylor-swift-grammys%2F

[itchybro]

That was the only part of the Grammys I saw and it was a joy. And, I had no idea who the singer was but she and Beckola were definitely groovin'

A helluva salute to the Pauls. I mean Fords.

I mean Paul and Ford.


My buddy Meredith Chesney found a good mix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDJcoqX69A

[Gray]

My buddy Meredith Chesney found a good mix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDJcoqX69A

Okay, that officially made my day. Thank you.

[Raincrow]

I was hoping Father White would win something this year. http://www.funny-potato.com/images/album-covers/worst-album-cover.jpg

[itchybro]

I was hoping Father White would win something this year. http://www.funny-potato.com/images/album-covers/worst-album-cover.jpg

That looks a lot like Bob Dobbs.

[KO]

I was hoping Father White would win something this year. http://www.funny-potato.com/images/album-covers/worst-album-cover.jpg
I figured he was an advocate of the rhythm method but this is surprising.

[AC]

her inability to stay on key is sort of endearing imo. it makes her sort of unintentionally punk rock.

Yeah...kind of in the same way that Lee Greenwood singing "God Bless America" always struck me as unintentionally revolutionary...it always conjured up the memory of MC5 singing "Kick Out the Jams"...you know...it was all the same...just different.

Speaking of posing, Jesse, I think you set a new standard for poser aesthetics.

[spinetingler]

My buddy Meredith Chesney found a good mix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDJcoqX69A

Pretty fucking cool.

Only way it would have been better would have been for a reel to reel to be sitting on the stage playing back the extra vocal tracks.

[Raincrow]

Pretty fucking cool.

Only way it would have been better would have been for a reel to reel to be sitting on the stage playing back the extra vocal tracks.

Yeah, in this day of the enhanced-vocals-creep factor, I coulda done without the invisible choir. But I still thought the "live" part was good enough to overlook that.

[jfm]

Speaking of posing, Jesse, I think you set a new standard for poser aesthetics.

jeez dude, are you going to get like this every time i don't like some band you're bringing to town?

nobody's saying you have to like taylor swift, least of all me.

[AC]

jeez dude, are you going to get like this every time i don't like some band you're bringing to town?

nobody's saying you have to like taylor swift, least of all me.


Aw, Jesse, if you wanna dish stuff out you oughta be able to take it a bit of banter in return. We're just having some fun, right?

Even I don't like some of the bands I bring to town...so give me a little break on that. It's a lame line of defense.

It's not about Taylor Swift. It's about you.

[jfm]

It's not about Taylor Swift. It's about you.

well let me see if i understand the formula.

people who don't like things you like = posers
people who like things you don't like = posers

am i missing anything? (what about people who like vampire weekend and taylor swift? or don't like either? are they half-posers? it gets confusing.)

(for the record i don't think i've called anyone a poser since about 8th grade. makes me feel like we should be wearing jean jackets and Journey t-shirts.)

[Gray]

well let me see if i understand the formula.

people who don't like things you like = posers
people who like things you don't like = posers

am i missing anything? (what about people who like vampire weekend and taylor swift? or don't like either? are they half-posers? it gets confusing.)

(for the record i don't think i've called anyone a poser since about 8th grade. makes me feel like we should be wearing jean jackets and Journey t-shirts.)


Gentlemen, for the record, I'm pretty sure the proper term is "poseur," not "poser." Sorry to intrude. Have at it.

[G-Ho]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Gray again.

I knew you'd come through.

[Raincrow]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Gray again.I knew you'd come through.

Yeah, I can't cube him again either just yet.

[jfm]

Yeah, I can't cube him again either just yet.

me either. gray's been on fire lately.

and point taken, i just haven't reset my spellcheck to allow french words since the iraq war...

[Raincrow]

me either. gray's been on fire lately.

and point taken, i just haven't reset my spellcheck to allow french words since the iraq war...

Don't worry about it. You can't use French in Knoxville, anyway. Unless you want your fesses couped de pied.

[AC]

well let me see if i understand the formula.

people who don't like things you like = posers
people who like things you don't like = posers

am i missing anything? (what about people who like vampire weekend and taylor swift? or don't like either? are they half-posers? it gets confusing.)

(for the record i don't think i've called anyone a poser since about 8th grade. makes me feel like we should be wearing jean jackets and Journey t-shirts.)

I'm a little surprised at how personally you seem to be taking this and that you seem to have no sense of humor about it at all. Nothing I've said has anything to do with whether I like something or not. At not one point in my discussions have I mentioned whether I personally "like" VW or Taylor Swift...nor have I in fact suggested anything of the kind. And I have not intentionally attacked anyone's "likes"...rather I've had some fun analyzing or challenging the "dislikes."

And to quote you from the Vampire Weekend thread:
"it's a pose like any other but it's sort of a funny pose."

So, while you may not have exactly called anyone a poser, I was inspired to use the term by you. And, yes, I would again restate my comment that suggesting that Taylor Swift's off-key singing at the Grammys as a form of punk rock is, in fact, the musing a poseur. Not that I didn't think you were joking a bit....

I think it's fine if you like Taylor Swift.

[Gracington]

I can't help it. I like Lady Gaga.

agreeeeeeeeee. she's like pure ego. I cannot help but be drawn to her like a planet to a star haha.

[jfm]

I'm a little surprised at how personally you seem to be taking this

what i'm mostly doing is trying to deflect your weirdly personal posts about me, to wit:


Jesse, I think you're misunderstanding my admittedly loosely or undefined terminology. YOU are a member of the "hipoisie" as I define it. Get it?

(i never did understand wtf you were saying here, btw.)

and...


It's not about Taylor Swift. It's about you.

so, you want to talk about me. which is ok by me, but i'm not the one who brought me up as a subject of conversation.

and anyway i don't take it "personally" because i've seen you do this same kind of rhetorical shilly-shallying before with other people, where you sort of imply or accuse them of "liking" or "not liking" things because of some ulterior motives having to do with image or hipness or i don't know what-all. and of course this is usually when somebody happens to not like or be wowed by something that you like or are wowed by. like, you want me to credit that vampire weekend fans "just like their music," which i completely agree with. i haven't accused anybody of being a pitchfork-wave-rider for liking that band, because i just don't think that's how or why people like things. but then people who don't like them, ah, there must be some motive, some agenda, it can't be that i just have a fingernails-on-chalkboard reaction every time i hear that manic chirping.

and i was half-kidding about taylor, but i really do think her persistent pitchiness is sort of endearing, because surely by now she knows it's a weakness (since everybody says so every time she does one of these live tv spots), but she goes out and does it anyway -- without lip synching or live-pitch-correcting or all the other tricks a lot of people use in those settings. if i didn't like her songs and her music i wouldn't care one way or the other, but since i do like those things her tuning trouble just becomes sort of a likable quirk. (albeit one that would probably keep me from paying a lot of money to go see her -- it's not that endearing.)

[AC]

what i'm mostly doing is trying to deflect your weirdly personal posts about me, to wit:



(i never did understand wtf you were saying here, btw.)

and...



so, you want to talk about me. which is ok by me, but i'm not the one who brought me up as a subject of conversation.

and anyway i don't take it "personally" because i've seen you do this same kind of rhetorical shilly-shallying before with other people, where you sort of imply or accuse them of "liking" or "not liking" things because of some ulterior motives having to do with image or hipness or i don't know what-all. and of course this is usually when somebody happens to not like or be wowed by something that you like or are wowed by. like, you want me to credit that vampire weekend fans "just like their music," which i completely agree with. i haven't accused anybody of being a pitchfork-wave-rider for liking that band, because i just don't think that's how or why people like things. but then people who don't like them, ah, there must be some motive, some agenda, it can't be that i just have a fingernails-on-chalkboard reaction every time i hear that manic chirping.

and i was half-kidding about taylor, but i really do think her persistent pitchiness is sort of endearing, because surely by now she knows it's a weakness (since everybody says so every time she does one of these live tv spots), but she goes out and does it anyway -- without lip synching or live-pitch-correcting or all the other tricks a lot of people use in those settings. if i didn't like her songs and her music i wouldn't care one way or the other, but since i do like those things her tuning trouble just becomes sort of a likable quirk. (albeit one that would probably keep me from paying a lot of money to go see her -- it's not that endearing.)

Jesse - I did not intend to cause real offense here, so if I've done that, I sincerely apologize. I sometimes get in the mood where I enjoy the banter back and forth about some of these topics. I should realize by now that the use of humor - especially when needling another person - on these forums is tricky at best. But I was really just messin' with you. We're just talking about Vampire Weekend and Taylor Swift after all...no one's getting hurt.

That being said, I find your characterization of my rhetorical shilly-shallying more than a little bit unfair. It's true that I enjoy digging into peoples likes and dislikes and tastes and interests and exploring the factors that influence them. As someone who generally ignores what I don't like and focuses on what I do, I'm especially intrigued by "haters" who feel a special compulsion to rail against certain things that others like...you know, in the world of music it's the "Your Favorite Band Sucks!" mantra. I don't know why but I find it both amusing as well as weirdly fascinating...and I love to poke at it with a sharp stick to provoke the usually all too predictable responses. But sometimes there's an enjoyable surprise.

However, this rarely if ever has anything to do with my personal likes or dislikes. I'm really not that thin-skinned in that regard. Believe me, I'm used to LOTS of people not liking things that I like. Including my wife on many occasions. And it's not that I see an ulterior motive behind every liek or dislike...only sometimes.

At any rate, I enjoy thinking and talking about these things...which I'm sure seems very trivial and odd to most people.

I suppose that I would tend to agree with your characterization of Taylor's struggle with pitch as "endearing." I didn't actually witness it myself. But I felt pretty confident that it had little about it that could be characterized as "punk" - at least, at least from my perspective.

But...enough...the snow and ice are mostly gone, the week's getting busy, my cold's getting better, and i'm no longer jetlagged so I'll be a little more scarce here on the Blab...until the next time.

I'll be happy to explain to you why you're a card-carrying member of the hipoisie over a beer sometime! :o)

[kczmrski]

When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

[jfm]

I did not intend to cause real offense here, so if I've done that, I sincerely apologize.

no problem. i know the drill. you know i love talking about music, arguing or otherwise. i just don't like when people assign motives to other peoples' tastes -- it's a sort of cheap move, "X only likes Y because of Z," "those people like that thing for the wrong reasons," or whatever. it amounts to mind-reading, and it's a pretty dubious practice. i'm interested in why people like or don't like things because i think tastes are interesting, but i tend to believe what they say (even if what they say is, "i dunno, it sounds good"). i have enough trouble figuring out why i like or don't like things without second-guessing anyone else.


I'll be happy to explain to you why you're a card-carrying member of the hipoisie over a beer sometime! :o)

you buy, i'm in.

(edit: and about taylor, i said "unintentionally punk" -- and in the context of a big glossy show of people made up and amped up to look and sound better than they really do, those jarring notes and blown harmonies sort of were.)

[AC]

no problem. i know the drill. you know i love talking about music, arguing or otherwise. i just don't like when people assign motives to other peoples' tastes -- it's a sort of cheap move, "X only likes Y because of Z," "those people like that thing for the wrong reasons," or whatever. it amounts to mind-reading, and it's a pretty dubious practice. i'm interested in why people like or don't like things because i think tastes are interesting, but i tend to believe what they say (even if what they say is, "i dunno, it sounds good"). i have enough trouble figuring out why i like or don't like things without second-guessing anyone else.


I'm going to stop...I swear I am....but...

I want to be clear...I do NOT assign motives to other people' tastes...except occasionally in certain instances...for instance, as I wrote:

"As someone who generally ignores what I don't like and focuses on what I do, I'm especially intrigued by "haters" who feel a special compulsion to rail against certain things that others like...you know, in the world of music it's the "Your Favorite Band Sucks!" mantra. I don't know why but I find it both amusing as well as weirdly fascinating..."

I generally don't spend a lot of time thinking about why people don't like things. I'm perfectly satisfied with answers like "I just don't" if I feel need an answer at all...but that's not what we've been talking about here.

[jfm]

i'll play along. let's go to the tape...


What I meant by a "guardian of the hipoisie" - like a "guardian of the bourgeoisie" - was someone who protects and defends the dogmas, rules, and tenets of their particular social or belief system. They are ususally afraid of it being corrupted or subverted or of losing some status or control.

... This is a pretty common affliction...kind of the private club mentality...While I enjoy a lot of music that isn't popular, I don't believe that I enjoy BECAUSE it isn't popular. I'm not especially into that way of thinking.

If you don't believe that there are people who do this, then you need to get out a bit more.

ok. so you are postulating that there are some people who like or don't like bands or artists because they are afraid of "their particular social or belief system" being "corrupted or subverted or of losing some status or control."

i think this is an odd postulation, since i know a lot of devoted fans of different kinds of music but none i can think of off the top of my head who'd fit that description. and it all sounds a bit da vinci code to me. but ok. if you say so.

but then a few posts later you say, to me:



Jesse, I think you're misunderstanding my admittedly loosely or undefined terminology. YOU are a member of the "hipoisie" as I define it. Get it?

i don't actually "get it," but you are apparently saying i'm some part of some group of people who align their tastes in accord with some set of principles designed to protect the sanctity of some systems of something or other in order to keep vampire weekend from corrupting or subverting our control ...

and i'm thinking basically ... OH NO HE'S ONTO US! quick, deploy the Taylor Swift!

[AC]

i'll play along. let's go to the tape...



ok. so you are postulating that there are some people who like or don't like bands or artists because they are afraid of "their particular social or belief system" being "corrupted or subverted or of losing some status or control."

i think this is an odd postulation, since i know a lot of devoted fans of different kinds of music but none i can think of off the top of my head who'd fit that description. and it all sounds a bit da vinci code to me. but ok. if you say so.

but then a few posts later you say, to me:




i don't actually "get it," but you are apparently saying i'm some part of some group of people who align their tastes in accord with some set of principles designed to protect the sanctity of some systems of something or other in order to keep vampire weekend from corrupting or subverting our control ...

and i'm thinking basically ... OH NO HE'S ONTO US! quick, deploy the Taylor Swift!

Perhaps a more direct way to state this is: Birds of a feather flock together. And music can be one of the things they flock around...and it can become a social glue and "identifier" for those groups. And, yes, it can be part of a system of inclusion and exclusion from the group. Nothing particularly earth shattering or relevatory about that. Surprised you're unaware of this.

And, yes, you are one of those birds...(as I recall you were inclined to be flattered by the designation)...who sings somewhat out of tune.

And your point is?

[spinetingler]

deploy the Taylor Swift!

Somebody's gonna get Taylor Swift Boated.


Taylor Swift Boat - there's a free band name for someone

[edens]

i just don't like when people assign motives to other peoples' tastes -- it's a sort of cheap move, "X only likes Y because of Z," "those people like that thing for the wrong reasons," or whatever. it amounts to mind-reading, and it's a pretty dubious practice.


When's Ringo's birthday? I just might have this framed.

[itchybro]

All I know is, and my cold is DAYS away from getting better so take anything I blather with a "lick" of salt, you guys are reminding me of why I both pity and revere the "good" music journalist. I can yak endless screeds about the noise I love but, the guilt I would feel after running some poor bastage(s) through my personal aesthetic woodchipper would drive me to drink.

But, if it's an open tab....

[AC]

It was fun for a while...

[itchybro]

Sorry to pee in the pool.

[relentless1]

Sorry to pee in the pool.

Only a turd would do it justice.

[Gray]

Only a turd would do it justice.

Only if it were shaped like an Oxford comma.

(yep. the fire's out.)

[Raincrow]

Only if it were shaped like an Oxford comma.

(yep. the fire's out.)

It's OK, son. Walk it off. You'll riposte another day.

(throws towel over Gray's shoulder and pulls him in a little too close as they head toward the locker room.)

[jfm]

Perhaps a more direct way to state this is: Birds of a feather flock together. And music can be one of the things they flock around...and it can become a social glue and "identifier" for those groups. And, yes, it can be part of a system of inclusion and exclusion from the group. Nothing particularly earth shattering or relevatory about that. Surprised you're unaware of this.

And, yes, you are one of those birds...(as I recall you were inclined to be flattered by the designation)...who sings somewhat out of tune.

And your point is?

i still honestly have no idea what you're talking about. what groups? what do you mean? this is all vague but sort of accusatory, which makes it hard to respond to. i mean, dude, i could spin all kinds of things about you and your tastes and the intersections or contradictions between them and your more mercenary interests, but really i have no idea. and i don't have any interest in speculating about your reasons for "liking" something or not liking it, or what you promote or don't, because i'm happy enough for all the good stuff you do to really not care about the things that i don't care about. if you like something, great. if you don't like it, fascinating. everybody's got to do what they've got to do, not everyone's interests are going to align all the time. that's the way it goes. it's the only way things can actually work.

i don't really have anything else to say about that, i don't think. if my personal tastes are really of any concern to you, you can buy me that beer and we can talk about them.


When's Ringo's birthday? I just might have this framed.

yeah well. if he ever stops being scared of his shadow long enough to actually say what he means about anything, i'll buy him a beer.

[Exodor]

You two have quite a nonversation going in here.

[trancendyce]

^
i liked it better before it jumped threads.

[Exodor]

I've been up too long. Brain's thick.

[itchybro]

Overhead in a Gnashville forum:

"Taylor Swift makes Shania Twain sound like Patsy Cline".

Ow.

[Hank IV]

Overhead in a Gnashville forum:

"Taylor Swift makes Shania Twain sound like Patsy Cline".

Ow.

Skull worthy.

[itchybro]

Skull worthy.

That may have actually been Patsy B. (who was being dogged in Garth thread) or "MsLindaC" I can't remember.

[jfm]

speaking of taylor swift, here's a good little analysis (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/arts/music/02taylor.html?ref=music):

Success has altered how she’s perceived, but most of all, success breeds perspective, especially in someone as savvy and bright as Ms. Swift.

Ideally, what will emerge will be a new Ms. Swift, cut from whole cloth, with some gumption, some sass, some wisdom that the world has crueler foes than teenage boys.

[shady lane]

o pls, she'll be fine. she's like 5'11". her legs go on forever.

[trancendyce]

o pls, she'll be fine. she's like 5'11". her legs go on forever.

those are called "legs 11"

[AC]

i still honestly have no idea what you're talking about. what groups? what do you mean? this is all vague but sort of accusatory, which makes it hard to respond to. i mean, dude, i could spin all kinds of things about you and your tastes and the intersections or contradictions between them and your more mercenary interests, but really i have no idea. and i don't have any interest in speculating about your reasons for "liking" something or not liking it, or what you promote or don't, because i'm happy enough for all the good stuff you do to really not care about the things that i don't care about. if you like something, great. if you don't like it, fascinating. everybody's got to do what they've got to do, not everyone's interests are going to align all the time. that's the way it goes. it's the only way things can actually work.

i don't really have anything else to say about that, i don't think. if my personal tastes are really of any concern to you, you can buy me that beer and we can talk about them.


Well, if you have no idea what I'm talking about then it's no wonder that you don't understand my points. There's nothing radical or particularly illuminating about it. There's nothing accusatory either. It's just an all too obvious observation of human nature. In the music world, these groups could be jazz purists, classical snobs, opera afficianados, hipsters, jam band fans, bluegrass heads, etc etc.

In this instance, your personal tastes are only of an interest to me in that you chose to put them out there on a public forum, and therefore were presumably interested in engaging in some sort of dialogue or at the very least inviting some comments in return. I thought it might be fun to participate in the discussion and perhaps challenge some observations or assumptions. Beyond that, your personal tastes don't really interest me that much.

As for speculating about my own tastes, I really didn't talk about my personal likes and dislikes (except in the case of the xx), but rather something else. As for my mercenary interests, the most simplied explanation is that I am concert promoter and I try to focus on promoting concerts that hopefully other people want to buy tickets to see. As a fan, I spend my free time listening to music and attending concerts of the music that I personally like (or at least want to check out). Sometimes these things intersect in a nice way. Which is great. Sometimes I get daring and promote music that I really love even though it is highly questionable if not totally obvious that not that many other people care. But I do that out of a personal interest and passion. I try to be careful. It can hurt.

And that's that.

[Raincrow]

http://cdn.stereogum.com/img/spinaltap_11.jpg

[jfm]

Well, if you have no idea what I'm talking about then it's no wonder that you don't understand my points. There's nothing radical or particularly illuminating about it. There's nothing accusatory either. It's just an all too obvious observation of human nature. In the music world, these groups could be jazz purists, classical snobs, opera afficianados, hipsters, jam band fans, bluegrass heads, etc etc.

of course, but those are clichés that rarely really describe any one person. or at least, most of the real music fans i know -- fanatic or casual -- have tastes that range across a fair number of different things. especially these days, with so much stuff available so easily, you never know who's going to like or listen to what. the difference in our positions here is that you seem to think you can categorize me somehow with one of these cliché labels -- apparently mostly on the basis of me not liking vampire weekend, since i don't think you really know much about what i like or don't -- and that's just sort of obnoxious. is all i'm really saying.


In this instance, your personal tastes are only of an interest to me in that you chose to put them out there on a public forum, and therefore were presumably interested in engaging in some sort of dialogue or at the very least inviting some comments in return. I thought it might be fun to participate in the discussion and perhaps challenge some observations or assumptions.

that's fine, i like talking about music. but you're not really talking about music, you're talking about "some people" and their hidden motives or something, and like i said i find those kinds of things kind of dubious. so i'm challenging your assumptions back. i think it's very suspect to try to assign agendas to people's tastes. in my experience it doesn't really work that way, for me or anyone else. and with you being somebody who's professionally involved in trying to broaden people's spheres of musical experience (and often successfully, too), i think it's surprisingly reductive of you to go around labeling people like that.

[jfm]

to give just one example (warning: taylor swift content ahead), my own sister is somebody who you could call sort of a purist. when she started playing fiddle about 10 years ago she got very heavily into old-time music and for a while that's all she listened to. then some years later she sort of starting getting back into stuff she had liked before -- bruce springsteen, various '80s things -- and she even started listening to some newer stuff. (she got into green day via her husband and my brother.) but there's still a lot of stuff she didn't like or listen to, and one thing she was absolutely, 100 percent sure of was that she didn't want anything to do with "country music." she loved string bands, but had no interest in anything from bill monroe onward. not classic country, not countrypolitan, not outlaw country or alt-country and definitely not nashville commercial country.

so for christmas i sent her a taylor swift cd.

three weeks later i get a mock-anguished email from her confessing that she liked it and had already gone and watched all of the taylor swift videos on youtube and has played it enough that my 10-year-old nephew (who likes bruce and green day but does not want anything to do with girly-pop) is now mad at me for introducing this plague into their home.

which proves nothing at all except that even what people think they know about their own tastes is often suspect and subject to change.

[spinetingler]

since i don't think you really know much about what i like

http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showthread.php?t=21837

[jfm]

http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showthread.php?t=21837

it's a start.

[Hank IV]

That may have actually been Patsy B. (who was being dogged in Garth thread) or "MsLindaC" I can't remember.


I saw Patsi B. with a group of Nashville Cats a few months ago. Can out-drink and out-cuss a sailor.

[AC]

of course, but those are clichés that rarely really describe any one person. or at least, most of the real music fans i know -- fanatic or casual -- have tastes that range across a fair number of different things. especially these days, with so much stuff available so easily, you never know who's going to like or listen to what. the difference in our positions here is that you seem to think you can categorize me somehow with one of these cliché labels -- apparently mostly on the basis of me not liking vampire weekend, since i don't think you really know much about what i like or don't -- and that's just sort of obnoxious. is all i'm really saying.



that's fine, i like talking about music. but you're not really talking about music, you're talking about "some people" and their hidden motives or something, and like i said i find those kinds of things kind of dubious. so i'm challenging your assumptions back. i think it's very suspect to try to assign agendas to people's tastes. in my experience it doesn't really work that way, for me or anyone else. and with you being somebody who's professionally involved in trying to broaden people's spheres of musical experience (and often successfully, too), i think it's surprisingly reductive of you to go around labeling people like that.

You are over-generalizing and blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. And taking the entire thing way too seriously.

[jfm]

You are over-generalizing and blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. And taking the entire thing way too seriously.

uh huh. then stop trying to explain to me my place in your bizarro poser taxonomy, because you're doing a lousy job of clarifying what you mean and mostly i think you're just kind of mad i started a thread about your big centerpiece festival band. and i wasn't even thinking about your festival, i'm sorry. (which by the way i'm mostly looking forward to.) there are people taking things personally here, but it's not just me.

[Raincrow]

I don't know about the rest of y'uns but I'm waiting on 9 to settle this in that cogent, pithy, judicious style of which he is the master.

[faybe]

Taylor Swift is a much better actress than i would of ever imagined. she did a good job on the SNL skits.

[Lee G]

Wow, I'm even more glad than usual that I don't give a damn about the Grammys.

[AC]

uh huh. then stop trying to explain to me my place in your bizarro poser taxonomy, because you're doing a lousy job of clarifying what you mean and mostly i think you're just kind of mad i started a thread about your big centerpiece festival band. and i wasn't even thinking about your festival, i'm sorry. (which by the way i'm mostly looking forward to.) there are people taking things personally here, but it's not just me.


I was just making a joke about your place in my bizarro poser taxonomy.
I consider Terry Riley the centerpiece of Big Ears in every way, not Vampire Weekend.

No one here is mad. A bit confused, but not mad.

[Raincrow]

No one here is mad. A bit confused, but not mad.


Bm
We sail tonight for Singapore, we're all as mad as hatters here

I've fallen for a tawny moor, took off to the Land of Nod
Em
Drank with all the Chinamen, walked the sewers of Paris
Bm
I danced along a colored wind, dangled from a rope of sand
F# Bm
You must say goodbye to me

[jfm]

No one here is mad. A bit confused, but not mad.

we're all mad here.

http://www.webbedenvironments.com/css_dhtml_ajax/3rdedition/code/12_LearningAboutObject/ObjVis/alice24.gif

[jfm]

I consider Terry Riley the centerpiece of Big Ears in every way, not Vampire Weekend.

yeah i think we can get unanimous consent on that one.

[edens]

yeah i think we can get unanimous consent on that one.

Poser.

[AC]

yeah i think we can get unanimous consent on that one.

Nice...an unexpectedly harmonious ending to this cacophonous and meandering improvisational silliness.

[jfm]

Poser.

http://elissa.org/images/Elissa-Landi-Strike-A-Pose-1933.jpg

[Georgia]

Nice...an unexpectedly harmonious ending to this cacophonous and meandering improvisational silliness.


Okay...hold it...and...CUT!

Let's wrap this one up and call it a thread before anyone get misunderstood, hurt or called or not called names.

And....we're out!

[I.C.U.]

It was fun for a while...

This one goes out to the one I love. This one goes out to the one I left behind. A simple...what is it?...la proposition d'occuper mon esprit

[itchybro]

Saw this today and I'm about to have a cocktail and sit through it.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/62945/before-the-music-dies

[AC]

This one goes out to the one I love. This one goes out to the one I left behind. A simple...what is it?...la proposition d'occuper mon esprit

More than that....

[Exodor]

How does one say "douchebag" in French? Wait, is that already in French?

[AC]

"You say 'love' in French
But it's just Frenchette...
I've been to France,
so let's just dance."

[Sappho]

Was it good for you?
I need a cigarette...

[kczmrski]

It doesn't matter. Rollingstone reported this evening that MTV bought Big Ears. Vampire Weekend is only the beginning.

[AC]

Yes, the Taylor Swift / Terry Riley collaboration is sure to be the highlight of the weekend. Taylor chanting off key in the style of Pandit Pran Nath...but the beautiful thing is that no one will notice.

[AC]

Was it good for you?
I need a cigarette...

"You c'mon like it's all
Natural baby, but you know,
I think it's only
Naturalette"

[G-Ho]

Yes, the Taylor Swift / Terry Riley collaboration is sure to be the highlight of the weekend.

I can hear it now: "In C, Taylor, C!"

must stop clicking thread.

[jfm]

Yes, the Taylor Swift / Terry Riley collaboration is sure to be the highlight of the weekend. Taylor chanting off key in the style of Pandit Pran Nath...but the beautiful thing is that no one will notice.

this is actually prophesied in the bhagavad gita.

[jfm]

I can hear it now: "In C, Taylor, C!"

must stop clicking thread.


ok g-ho's joke is better.

[KO]

Yes, the Taylor Swift / Terry Riley collaboration is sure to be the highlight of the weekend.
I'm disappointed in Taylor Swift's other collaboration. (http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/2010/02/taylor-swift-john-mayer-sex.php)

[jfm]

I'm disappointed in Taylor Swift's other collaboration. (http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/2010/02/taylor-swift-john-mayer-sex.php)

eeps. she better be wearing a hazmat suit.

[trancendyce]

Wow, I'm even more glad than usual that I don't give a damn about the Grammys.

you and me both

[# 9]

I'm disappointed in Taylor Swift's other collaboration. (http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/2010/02/taylor-swift-john-mayer-sex.php)

Finally, the only woman you wouldn't hit.

[Keef Riffers]

I'm disappointed in Taylor Swift's other collaboration. (http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/2010/02/taylor-swift-john-mayer-sex.php)



DAMNIT that guy is like the winona rider of dudes.



whatchootalkinboutwillis?
http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/gary_colman_mugshot.jpg

[Keef Riffers]

It doesn't matter. Rollingstone reported this evening that MTV bought Big Ears. Vampire Weekend is only the beginning.

Thats not really true!? is it.....?



OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Ya'll If I see kennedy at the pilot light I will just DIEEE!!!!

http://www.refinery29.com/pipeline/img/mtv-vj-lisa-kennedy.jpg

[faybe]

the whole grammy show this year seemed unrehearsed. I thought Colbert's bit was odd and fell flat.

Another oddity: putting eminem, lil'wayne, and X (was it Drake?) rapping and then bleeping out a huge part of it. What were they thinking.

[Raincrow]

(was it Drake?) rapping and then bleeping out a huge part of it. What were they thinking.

Yeah, I thought they said "Dre" and then wondered, 'that ain't Dre so who the fock is THAT guy?' and then thought the audio went out altogether.

[jfm]

cbs went censor-crazy on that tune. the next day i found a youtube clip of it from the italian tv feed that still bleeped out the bad words, but there were only like a half-dozen of them and you could hear everything else. (that clip has since been deleted of course for copyright reasons.) i think after the janet jackson and u2 incidents, networks are just totally gunshy now. but it sort of makes you wonder why they bothered to do the performance at all, since it pretty much ruined the song. (too bad too, because em was on fire -- sounded better than i've heard him in a long time.)

[kczmrski]

Thats not really true!? is it.....?



OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Ya'll If I see kennedy at the pilot light I will just DIEEE!!!!

http://www.refinery29.com/pipeline/img/mtv-vj-lisa-kennedy.jpg

Yes it is. There was a post about it a few pages ago.

[trancendyce]

DAMNIT that guy is like the winona rider of dudes.


none can resist him when he is sleazy fresh from the sea
http://blog.emitations.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/john-mayer-shirtless.jpg

[The Lurker]

Have an Iphone? (http://www.cratekings.com/t-pain-auto-tune-iphone-app-coming-soon/)

I just bought the T-Pain auto-tune app..I'm a fucking rock star now. Funny ass app.

[Gray]

none can resist him when he is sleazy fresh from the sea
http://blog.emitations.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/john-mayer-shirtless.jpg

Nice sleeve. (snicker)

[trancendyce]

Nice sleeve. (snicker)

he has become a rite of passage. i don't think they will even let you in anymore unless you are willing to crawl through his space to get there.

[Apeville]

just glad Loudon Wainwright finally won one