resign? you betcha!

[gypsy]

no idea what's going on here... (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/07/wtf_7.php?ref=fpblg)

[gypsy]

whatever it is, it's the fault of the media (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/in-big-shocker-palin-resigns-as-governor.php?ref=fpa):

Late Update: Reporter Andrew Wellner from the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman just appeared on CNN after attending Palin's press conference. She said, Wellner reported, that Palin said she could be more effective outside of government.

And she wholly blamed the national press, saying they were creating national distractions that cost the state money. Palin said: "You are naive if you don't see a full-court press on the national level, picking apart a good point guard."

[NeilMcCauley]

So what?

[gypsy]

oh, nothing. just thinking that tens of millions of people were willing to put this flake one septugenarian heartbeat away from the presidency...

[fluffy]

seems that she isnt planning on running for second term, which probably means shes going to go all in for a crack at the white house.


yeah. you do that, toots.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/03/palin/?iref=mpstoryview

[PrinceWince]

I guess she said "thanks, but no thanks" to that governorship to nowhere.

[PrinceWince]

Also, I wonder if she scheduled this on the eve of a week-long Stewart/Colbert vacation on purpose.

[gypsy]

seems that she isnt planning on running for second term, which probably means shes going to go all in for a crack at the white house.

i don't think so. you can't handle the stress of being governor of alaska, so you run for president? no way. too flaky even for the gop base. she's out of the 2012 running. and anything else. her entire elected career is going to consist of 2 1/2 years as governor.

[Georgia]

Now that's some funky news-


(she even bumped Michael Jackson's spot on CNN)

[PrinceWince]

her entire elected career is going to consist of 2 1/2 years as governor.

And the Wasilla stuff.

[Tennessee Jed]

I agree, it looks more like political suicide than a run at anything else. One does not resign one station in a company to vie for a promotion in the same company.

[gypsy]

And the Wasilla stuff.

you're right. didn't mean to shortchange her executive experience.

[rikki]

If she were launching a Presidential run or doing anything self-promotional, I doubt she would announce this late in the day prior to a holiday weekend.

[Sappho]

Wonder if Republican Governor resignations come in threes??? :D

[PrinceWince]

you're right. didn't mean to shortchange her executive experience.

Don't want to give the opposition an opportunity to play the "we can't disregard community organizer experience, but you can play off mayoral/city council experience!?" card.

[Tess]

I suspect somebody has something on her that she cannot get out of. Maybe she was offered the opportunity to resign in exchange for the "something" to stay in the closet.

[SBL]

remember how mccain left his campaign to go to washington and deal with the financial crisis? it was a move to get him in the news and look "presidential."

maybe she thinks she's going to leave her job to go fix... something. and look "presidential" while doing it.

didn't work for mccain. he looked like a quitter.

now she looks like a quitter, too.

you betcha...

[Hayduke]

I suspect somebody has something on her that she cannot get out of. Maybe she was offered the opportunity to resign in exchange for the "something" to stay in the closet.

"You are naive if you don't see a full-court press on the national level, picking apart a good point guard" could be read as meaning they've gone and dug something really good up on her now. I was thinking something was about to come out and get her removed from office anyway, but your idea is even uglier. If a scandal doesn't appear shortly, I'll suspect you're right.

[Tess]

I am a student of human nature, Hayduke. My idea is not "ugly!"

It is beautiful! :)



(It will all come out in the wash, anyway. And, probably very, very soon.

[binR Bishop]

No way this woman just walks away from power. I don't know what it is, but something's up.

Pat Buchanan, meanwhile, is gasbagging on tee vee about what a smart political move this is since now she can concentrate on 2012.

It's always good news for Republicans.

[Hayduke]

I am a student of human nature, Hayduke. My idea is not "ugly!"

It is beautiful! :)

I was thinking ugly in terms of what kind of brutal Mayberry Machiavellian games are going on in Juneau, but from the right angle I reckon you could find art.

[trancendyce]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/128910927082759080.jpg

[Hayduke]

Pat Buchanan, meanwhile, is gasbagging on tee vee about what a smart political move this is since now she can concentrate on 2012.

Treating politics as geometry, Buchanan getting behind an idea can be used to construct a direct proof that the statement is false.

[# 9]

Probably a talk radio deal or a talk TV deal. No one would elect a President who had only 2 and half years experience.

Doh. Never mind. Scratch that.

[rikki]

for the "something" to stay in the closet.

If lesbian cheerleader photos surface, the Blab's going to be conflicted.

[Tess]

I won't speculate on what Barracuda has done that crossed the RNC line.

I don't have enough imagination.

[Hayduke]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/GHayduke/NotTina.jpg

[Gray]

I suspect somebody has something on her that she cannot get out of. Maybe she was offered the opportunity to resign in exchange for the "something" to stay in the closet.

I think this is dead on the money.

[Shinola]

you're right. didn't mean to shortchange her executive experience.

It's a good thing no one ever shortchanged Barack Obama's executive experience.

[Hank IV]

Probably a talk radio deal...

You gonna call into that one six or eight times a day, too?

[gypsy]

It's a good thing no one ever shortchanged Barack Obama's executive experience.

hard to let go, huh?

(you forgot to say "hussein")

[SBL]

andrew halcro has an interesting take on it...

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/palin_resigns_exit_stage_right

[Hank IV]

hard to let go, huh?

(you forgot to say "hussein")

Sarah Hussein Palin?

[trancendyce]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/GHayduke/NotTina.jpg

good work! i was fairly certain i could count on the blab for an improved update.

[gypsy]

Sarah Hussein Palin?

hussein in the membrane

[SBL]

and this...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7280


"The governor would not be able to continue her job when it comes out," she told me on the phone just now, before adding: "Why would Mark Sanford not resign, but Sarah Palin did? Her family didn't even know about the resignation until they were standing with her by the lake" when she made her announcement.

where's my popcorn?

[Shinola]

hard to let go, huh?

(you forgot to say "hussein")

Not really, but it is funny. Cause arguing against her election in 2008 on the experience issue is kind of a loser.

I don't understand why people cant just not like her politics and move on.

[gypsy]

Not really, but it is funny. Cause arguing against her election in 2008 on the experience issue is kind of a loser.

I don't understand why people cant just not like her politics and move on.

people who couldn't tell the difference between sarah palin and barack obama -- in terms of experience or anything else -- without looking at their resumes are people who should never, ever open emails from nigeria.

[# 9]

You gonna call into that one six or eight times a day, too?

You know it.

[gypsy]

I don't understand why people cant just not like her politics and move on.

also lemme just add that i've been TRYING to move on from sarah palin for months, but she keeps coming back. and now this. she can't even go away quietly, it has to be one more big drama.

[Celestial Dung]

You know given that her husband was a member of some strange succession movement it's possible that this is the beginning of a bizarre civil war type deal. It might prove interesting...snowball fights and everything.

[# 9]

Not really, but it is funny. Cause arguing against her election in 2008 on the experience issue is kind of a loser.

I don't understand why people cant just not like her politics and move on.

Because she makes them afraid. A female populist is very scary to Planet Obama.

[gypsy]

Because she makes them afraid. A female populist is very scary to Planet Obama.

she is sort of scary. but not because she's a "female populist."

[Sappho]

also lemme just add that i've been TRYING to move on from sarah palin for months, but she keeps coming back. and now this. she can't even go away quietly, it has to be one more big drama.



Oh no Gypsy! She is a victim. It's not drama. :rolleyes: She was just like William Steward, a bold visionary who like herself endured ridicule and mocking, whose adversaries scoffed his ideas, he withstood disdain for his uncomfortable, unconventional but right paths...

It's all here...http://www.gov.state.ak.us/exec-column.php

[binR Bishop]

also lemme just add that i've been TRYING to move on from sarah palin for months, but she keeps coming back. and now this. she can't even go away quietly, it has to be one more big drama.

Yup. Reports from Alaska have also said she really wasn't interested much in governing. She did, however, like the power and the celebrity.

So maybe she's just bored with being governor, and wants to move on to the national speech/pundit circuit. Chuck Todd pointed out earlier that even if that didn't make her president, it would make her a very rich woman.

I'd still bet there's another shoe to drop, tho.

[gypsy]

It's all here...http://www.gov.state.ak.us/exec-column.php

and we have a new candidate in the Who-Is-JJJ sweepstakes...

And there is such a need to BUILD up and FIGHT for our state and our country. I choose to FIGHT for it! And I'll work hard for others who still believe in free enterprise and smaller government; strong national security for our country and support for our troops; energy independence; and for those who will protect freedom and equality and LIFE... I'll work for and campaign for those PROUD to be American, and those who are INSPIRED by our ideals and won't deride them.

I WILL support others who seek to serve, in or out of office, for the RIGHT reasons, and I don't care what party they're in or no party at all. Inside Alaska – or Outside Alaska.

[Gnaw Parker]

I suspect somebody has something on her that she cannot get out of. Maybe she was offered the opportunity to resign in exchange for the "something" to stay in the closet.

I'm thinking lesbian sex video.

[Manovinyl]

Has anyone tried to watch her resignation speech? My head started hurting half way through, UNCLE! I just cannot fathom what she is trying to say most of the time.

[Tess]

Really? That is an interesting thought.

I am thinking more along the lines of consorting with the Russians that she can see from her front porch.

Whatever it is, she is pretty freaked and wild-eyed in her resignation video.

[PrinceWince]

It's a good thing no one ever shortchanged Barack Obama's executive experience.

Called it! (http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showpost.php?p=342659&postcount=15)

[PrinceWince]

I am thinking more along the lines of consorting with the Russians that she can see from her front porch.


Wait, so that was really her in that video?

[trancendyce]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/political-pictures-sarah-palin-pouting-crying.jpg?w=450&h=536

eh... it's probably just a way to have everyone talking about her over the fourth of july weekend.

[Gray]

Because she makes them afraid. A female populist is very scary to Planet Obama.

1. Palin is nowhere near being a "populist." Not even close.

2. Even before this, she had about as much chance of being elected President in 2012 as I do.

[Hayduke]

2. Even before this, she had about as much chance of being elected President in 2012 as I do.

But the Republican nomination was another story.

[fluffy]

people who couldn't tell the difference between sarah palin and barack obama -- in terms of experience or anything else -- without looking at their resumes are people who should never, ever open emails from nigeria.

comparing their college experience alone, as well as post collegiate work, should make it pretty obvious the differences they have between them.

[fluffy]

she is sort of scary. but not because she's a "female populist."

shes not scary. im not scared by dumbasses.

and its a little retarded to claim that the obama administration is scared of female populists. who is their secretary of state again?

[fluffy]

Yup. Reports from Alaska have also said she really wasn't interested much in governing. She did, however, like the power and the celebrity.

So maybe she's just bored with being governor, and wants to move on to the national speech/pundit circuit. Chuck Todd pointed out earlier that even if that didn't make her president, it would make her a very rich woman.

I'd still bet there's another shoe to drop, tho.

could be. the new Vanity Fair piece does sort of paint her as a celebrity whore.

[trancendyce]

she IS scary in the religious zealot dumbass (ignorant) sort of way.

[Celestial Dung]

Pass the Ball for Victory.

Good lord I think Republicans have found a new slogan to wave around. If it gets too tough for you, if you can stand the pressure of the position that you were elected for, then pass the ball for victory!

Scary thing is if she did decide on running for president I can actually see her base forming. Heck I can't wait till conservative wig wags praise her for her commitment to term limits.

Can't wait to read Camille Paglia next column.

[Hayduke]

It'll be interesting to see the smarter Republicans keeping some distance for a while until they see what's behind this.

[Keef Riffers]

"The apex of the conceivable, the pinnacle of confusion" ~Palin/#9 2012!!

[G-Ho]

2. Even before this, she had about as much chance of being elected President in 2012 as I do.

I would never vote for Gray in 2012. But in 2016, hoyeah.

[trancendyce]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_xM6S1O620QE/Sd67PdGQ5xI/AAAAAAAAKmg/5tMNx981_lw/s800/sarah_palin_pancakes.jpg
just in case it hasn't already been posted

[jsmith]

probably a talk radio deal or a talk tv deal. No one would elect a president who had only 2 and half years experience.

Doh. Never mind. Scratch that.

lol!

[jsmith]

oh, nothing. just thinking that tens of millions of people were willing to put this flake one septugenarian heartbeat away from the presidency...

Um, yeah, instead, tens of millions voted for a socialist who seems to looove every tax cheat he meets, and, although he claims to be a constitutional scholar, has apparently never actually read the American Constitution.

Gee, with 9.5 percent unemployment and rising, government ownership of much of the country's automobile and banking industry, and an attempt to ration healthcare and tax everyone who uses electric light, I just have to ask, how's that "hopenchange" working out for ya'?

[tardisrider]

I just wanted to say to the entire blab:whoopee and good tidings to all! hooray!

[Scott]

so who is voting for Mrs Palin? lol

[spinetingler]

I'm hoping lesbian sex video.

blab fixed

[Scott]

grins

[PrinceWince]

Um, yeah, instead, tens of millions voted for a socialist who seems to looove every tax cheat he meets, and, although he claims to be a constitutional scholar, has apparently never actually read the American Constitution.

Gee, with 9.5 percent unemployment and rising, government ownership of much of the country's automobile and banking industry, and an attempt to ration healthcare and tax everyone who uses electric light, I just have to ask, how's that "hopenchange" working out for ya'?

cry more plz

[trancendyce]

blab fixed

not really lesbian, i know, but sex vids with ann colter seem more up her right-wingnut alley.

[spinetingler]

not really lesbian, i know, but sex vids with ann colter seem more up her right-wingnut alley.

fuck. now I'll never get to sleep tonight without sedatives.

[dumbass]

shes not scary. im not scared by dumbasses.



http://pearly23.tripod.com/bush/bush-scholar.jpg

[Sappho]

not really lesbian, i know, but sex vids with ann colter seem more up her right-wingnut alley.

We try not to admit that there are Lesbian Republicans.

[Tess]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_xM6S1O620QE/Sd67PdGQ5xI/AAAAAAAAKmg/5tMNx981_lw/s800/sarah_palin_pancakes.jpg
just in case it hasn't already been posted

Trance, I couldn't give you a green cube, but thanks!!!

[Godzilla]

not really lesbian, i know, but sex vids with ann colter seem more up her right-wingnut alley.
Could you please post a link to that fantasy video? Moderates do not care about the politics of the characters.

[# 9]

"The apex of the conceivable, the pinnacle of confusion" ~Palin/#9 2012!!

While I would be proud to serve, you have the order wrong. Top of the ticket or no go.

[dumbass]

more up her right-wingnut alley.


um-hm

[# 9]

The text of her speech is interesting (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/03/sarah-palin-resignation-s_n_225557.html).

Two ideas come to mind. First, she has unilaterally decided she will be the Newt Gingrich of 2012. Touring the country making some serious coin while preaching a populist message to get Republicans back in power in Congress.

Or, she is pissed at the way team McCain treated her and she will go full maverick and start an Independent Party a la Ross Perot.

Everybody knows you never go full maverick, right?

[B-Boy]

It'll be interesting to see the smarter Republicans keeping some distance for a while until they see what's behind this.

Yea, all three of them.

[B-Boy]

Has anyone tried to watch her resignation speech? My head started hurting half way through, UNCLE! I just cannot fathom what she is trying to say most of the time.

I actually had an Animal House moment listening to that spiel.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

"Quiet, SHE'S on a roll..."

[Godzilla]

We try not to admit that there are Lesbian Republicans.
Same sex marriage only for Democrats? Obama might be able to sell that.

He is not trying very hard to promote your cause. He has been paid with your vote. Where is his incentive?

[B-Boy]

The plot thickens:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07042009/gossip/pagesix/levi_vs__sarah_palin_battle_continues_177489.htm

Hells bells, I knew there would be fireworks this weekend, but man oh man this should be a wild ride.
Surely there's some sort of Ray Stevens song in the works about the GOP and all of their headlines lately?

[dumbass]

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/03/sarah-palin-resignation-s_n_225557.html"] First, she has unilaterally decided she will be the Newt Gingrich of 2012. Touring the country making some serious coin while preaching a populist message to get Republicans back in power in Congress.




You are in the wrong theatre, sir. The Newt has a brain. Palin would play in the Limbaugh/Coulter circuit, stuck in third tier because Rush has bigger titties than she does and Coulter has a bigger dick.


Here's my guess: After the goofy fundraiser dust-up with Gingritch, Cheney wrote something on her facebook wall along the lines of : Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up you stupid cunt! It was a joke! HA HA! You though we thought you had GAME?? HA HA HA! You're almost as dumb as George! HA HA HA HA!

[Hi Top]

So what?

So what? So let's dance!

[gypsy]

i think this is as plausible as anything (http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/07/what_palins_really_up_to.php):

Assuming there is no scandal shoe about to drop, to understand what Gov. Sarah Palin is doing, we ought to begin by taking her at her word. I readily admit that her statement today wasn't terribly clear, which is quite telling itself: she doesn't quite know why she is doing what she's doing, ALL CAPS notwithstanding. She can't explain it to herself, and so she certainly can't explain it to others. ...

Don't make the mistake of assuming that Palin has a grand strategy that relies on subterfuge, prestidigitation or rhetorical concealment. She has few close advisers, and she is prone to ignore their advice. She keeps her own counsel. She believes what she says (and implies): that she is a national political figure, that her destiny (and I think she capitalizes the D) is in the continental 48, that her personal characteristics are mocked by the elite because the elite cannot understand them, that her family and children are subject to relentless, negative and highly damaging personal attacks, and that there is no longer a place for her in the Alaska government.

and of course just because palin thinks this is a good way to free herself of petty constraints doesn't actually mean it's a good idea. but why would we expect her ideas to be good ones?

(and i'm not saying there's no scandal still to come. with her, i'd say just about anything is possible.)

[Hi Top]

Because she makes them afraid. A female populist is very scary to Planet Obama.

Nope. I love her. Nothing would make me happier than for her to run in 2012 and get the nod. I say that, but this country did elect Bush in '04 so maybe I should be careful of what I wish for.

[SnM]

Michel Silence had a thought (http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/silence/archives/2009/07/just_curious_8.shtml).

It's plausible. She's the right sort of banana-nut scone to accent that fruity brew.

[gypsy]

Michel Silence had a thought (http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/silence/archives/2009/07/just_curious_8.shtml).

It's plausible. She's the right sort of banana-nut scone to accent that fruity brew.

speaking of which, aren't there supposed to be a lot of tea party things today? i don't expect to see any in nyc, but are the streets of knoxville a-brewin' with discontent?

[Tess]

Maybe they will shoot some firecrackers.

[rikki]

Word seems to be leaking out that the Palin home was built by the same contractors with the same materials as the Wasilla Sports Complex and that federal investigators have been looking onto that and other uses of power for personal gain.

(see the updates at the bradblog site SBL linked to)

[SnM]

speaking of which, aren't there supposed to be a lot of tea party things today? i don't expect to see any in nyc, but are the streets of knoxville a-brewin' with discontent?

dunno, been busy - but when we went to the farmer's market this morning, the only thing brewing on the streets of downtown was lots of fresh coffee.

but i figure to celebrate independence day, most kids are less about tea parties and more about smokin' tea and lightin' tnt parties.

[Gnaw Parker]

What a great couple of weeks it's been to be a journalist.
Farrah, Michael, Madoff, Sanford, Palin, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, planes, trains and automobiles....

[dumbass]

We've all been LEFT BEHIND!



http://rapturemeup.com/db3/00275/rapturemeup.com/_uimages/rapture.jpg

[binR Bishop]

From someone who supported Palin in the fall (http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2009/07/03/proving-her-critics-right/):

I don’t think Sarah Palin much cares if she is elected President or not. I don’t even think that she cares whether the investigation into her costs the taxpayers money. And ultimately, I don’t really think she cares that much about the scrutiny to her family (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGZlMWI5YmQxODVmODZhYTU1MzQxNWFiNzVlZmMyNTQ=). Otherwise she would have simply finished her term and faded away.

What I think is that she sees the spotlight shining and she wants to cash in. She can’t do that while she is governor. This is not about the taxpayers money. This is about her money. This about getting hers before its gone, before her looks fade and her fifteen minutes are gone.

If she truly wanted to make an impact she would admit to herself that she was picked for the national stage a bit before she was ripe and that the best thing she could do would to try and be the best Governor of Alaska she could be.

Sarah Palin doesn’t care (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/07/03/i-didnt-see-this-one-coming/) about statecraft or making government smaller and/or more efficient. She just wants to be the IT girl.

She doesn’t care about experience or gravitas because those are things you would need only if you wished to affect change and make a difference. Those are things you only need if you wish to hold office and steer the ship of state. Sarah Palin only wishes to ride the wave of celebrity.

As Glenn R. would say, read the whole thing. It's quite a fine screed.

[binR Bishop]

BTW, did anybody else notice that she kept using the royal "we" yesterday? Just one of the many things about her that grates on me.

[# 9]

BTW, did anybody else notice that she kept using the royal "we" yesterday? Just one of the many things about her that grates on me.

You may be grated into a fine dust by 2010. This may be the next Oprah. Of the other side of course. The anti-Oprah.

[fluffy]

BTW, did anybody else notice that she kept using the royal "we" yesterday? Just one of the many things about her that grates on me.

did she wink any?

[Gray]

We try not to admit that there are Lesbian Republicans.

I'm casting Ann as the top and Sarah as the spunky, irrepressible power bottom. Youbetcha.

[gypsy]

anderson cooper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0XRot6ydGM), talking to palin's spokeswoman. i love how he scratches his head around the 4:30 mark, like, "i am literally scratching my head trying to figure out wtf you are talking about."

[Keef Riffers]

http://imgur.com/idvV5.png

[trancendyce]

this one isn't as funny as the pancake pillbox hat on her head, still it has a certain street charm.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2808728117_b10c989764.jpg

[Keef Riffers]

honestly can we all reflect for a moment just exactly how fucking awesome sarah palin is. seriously. I hope she is on poker tournament soon. I dont think there has ever been a more awesome political freak. She is like the micheal jackson of politics. If like paris hilton were totally from texas omg. Its almost like you can see the little eletrical sparks short circuiting and sputtering over her head when she trys to ** ** *think (http://spiegelman.tumblr.com/post/135527853/how-does-a-post-resignation-sarah-palin-spend-her) * * and (http://spiegelman.tumblr.com/)* ***** say words (http://twitter.com/AKGovSarahPalin/status/2478233787)*****ATTHE SAMETIME (http://wonkette.com/409646/thanks-for-ruining-the-teabaggers-4th-of-july-party-palin)*****

[Keef Riffers]

OH PLEASE GOD TELL HER 2 RUN FOR PRESIDENT (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/exec-column.php)

[gypsy]

the footnote about wayne barrett in her lawyer's letter (http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/07/05/palin_lawyer_letter/) is awesome:

Wayne Barrett, a writer for the left wing Village Voice, published these insinuations, on October 7, 2008 in a story entitled “The Book of Sarah” available at http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-10-08/news/the-book-of-sarah. This was written in the style of one pretending to be amazed that so many people in a small town like Wasilla appear to know one another, support one another, and take on big projects together. Apparently that is uncommon in New York. Rather than recognize that leaders of a community often mobilize to accomplish projects, the writer offered this up as an unusual and questionable association of special interests.

big-city left-wing reporters just don't understand how small-town folks help each other out!

[B-Boy]

I can't recall, but have her and Marion Berry ever been seen together?

[fluffy]

I dont think there has ever been a more awesome political freak

what, youve already forgotten the last 8 years?

[fluffy]

OH PLEASE GOD TELL HER 2 RUN FOR PRESIDENT (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/exec-column.php)

wow. just...wow. and here i was thinking there was no way i could think LESS of her as a elected official. i was wrong.

[itchybro]

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/07/batcrazy%20advisory%20system_80f59.jpg

[rikki]

wow. just...wow. and here i was thinking there was no way i could think LESS of her as a elected official. i was wrong.

I like her explanation. It's a burden to read, but it makes some sense. I wish I could believe her. I like much of what she says about resisting corruption in government; I have no reason to believe she understands a word of it, at least at the federal level.

She comes from a state with socialized ownership of oil, a successful, simply administered state program. If she had the courage to admit that and tell righties to can the childish "socialism" whimpering, I'd gain a lot of respect for her.

If she demonstrated that she understood why social ownership of natural resources is preferable to federal ownership, I'd like her even more. Best as I can tell, she just mouths the words to crusade for votes. Few on the right demonstrate enough comprehension of economics to competently discuss what they profess, and Palin seems to have no comprehension of what she rails against. I would love it if she proved me wrong.

[Gray]

I like her explanation. It's a burden to read, but it makes some sense. I wish I could believe her. I like much of what she says about resisting corruption in government; I have no reason to believe she understands a word of it, at least at the federal level.

She comes from a state with socialized ownership of oil, a successful, simply administered state program. If she had the courage to admit that and tell righties to can the childish "socialism" whimpering, I'd gain a lot of respect for her.

If she demonstrated that she understood why social ownership of natural resources is preferable to federal ownership, I'd like her even more. Best as I can tell, she just mouths the words to crusade for votes. Few on the right demonstrate enough comprehension of economics to competently discuss what they profess, and Palin seems to have no comprehension of what she rails against. I would love it if she proved me wrong.


Aw, c'mon. You're better than this. She's not that hot, and she writes and speaks on roughly a 4th-grade level.

[rikki]

she writes and speaks on roughly a 4th-grade level.

She should let Willow write her speeches.

[gypsy]

what do you mean by "social ownership" vs. "federal ownership"? just curious.

[Godzilla]

what do you mean by "social ownership" vs. "federal ownership"? just curious.

I take the Marxist position that once capitalism has brought a society to a high level of economic development it is then ready for a transition to a more advanced system where the means of production (intermediate inputs) are owned by society. This would mean that they are no longer owned by individuals or groups nor bought and sold, and that they are used to achieve economically efficient outcomes unimpeded by sectional interests.

http://economsoc.wordpress.com/

Very Progressive Marxist idea there rikki. A hippie commune? i.e. hipster

[Godzilla]

She comes from a state with socialized ownership of oil, a successful, simply administered state program.

If she demonstrated that she understood why social ownership of natural resources is preferable to federal ownership, I'd like her even more. Few on the right demonstrate enough comprehension of economics to competently discuss what they profess. I would love it if she proved me wrong.


People are all good in utopia, right rikki. They all bust their ass for no profit, just the good of the commune?

This leftist model for society is a little freshman college for a guy of your maturity, rikki.
You should have the nickname “freshie.”

Doing without the profit motive
Under capitalism, decisions about what to produce and how are driven by the profit motive of those who own the means of production. Workers are then impelled to make it happen through the threat of unemployment and the lure of wage increases and promotions.
Under social ownership there would be no profit. So, what would replace it? Why would those responsible make good decisions on investment, enterprise organization or product choice? And why would we all do our bit to ensure efficient production?

http://economsoc.wordpress.com/the-economic-case-for-social-ownership/

Brief summary:
My position can be summed up very simply: social ownership will prove economically superior to capitalism because it can rely on the enthusiasm of the many rather than the profit of the few and it will have a better price system.

[Godzilla]

Humphreys Says:

November 24, 2008 at 8:41 am | Reply
To produce something you need multiple inputs. If somebody else has those inputs then you need to convince them to let you use them. There are three ways for humans to interact, through (1) love, (2) trade, or (3) force.

So you could ask them nicely to use their product (love).

Or you could offer them something in exchange for their product (trade).

Or you could use force/coercion to acquire their product (force).

I think love is the best way to coordinate society. But sometimes love is not enough. The person who mines the lead in Uruguay does not love the person who needs a pencil in Singapore enough to just send it over. There are many other examples of where love is not sufficient.

Now you have a decision to make — which alternative mechanism do we use to coordinate human behavior? Trade or force? I prefer trade.

Voluntary trading for capital does not “exploit” anybody in any meaningful sense of the word. A firm may need capital and labor. If the capital owner and labour owner don’t love the firm, then the firm will need to engage in trade with both capital-owner and labor-owner. Markets will tend to a position where the firm has an incentive to pay the resource owners roughly the marginal productivity of their input. Nothing wrong with that.

kenneth ivey Says:

March 29, 2009 at 11:12 pm | Reply
I cannot believe an American could think in this way. I started out poor with nothing and with hard work and not government handouts I made a good life. Some of my friends didn’t but they wanted to take the easy way. So they don’t have as much as me. Now with your system they would have the same as me and you say that is fair. Not so. We (this country) fought two wars and a cold war against this sort of government. I will fight it with the very last breath in my body I had rather be dead than live in your vision of the world look at North Korea to see what you are calling for. I think not.

Ken

[# 9]

I like her explanation. It's a burden to read, but it makes some sense. I wish I could believe her. I like much of what she says about resisting corruption in government; I have no reason to believe she understands a word of it, at least at the federal level.

She comes from a state with socialized ownership of oil, a successful, simply administered state program. If she had the courage to admit that and tell righties to can the childish "socialism" whimpering, I'd gain a lot of respect for her.

If she demonstrated that she understood why social ownership of natural resources is preferable to federal ownership, I'd like her even more. Best as I can tell, she just mouths the words to crusade for votes. Few on the right demonstrate enough comprehension of economics to competently discuss what they profess, and Palin seems to have no comprehension of what she rails against. I would love it if she proved me wrong.

Marxism is so misunderstood, right comrade?

[rikki]

what do you mean by "social ownership" vs. "federal ownership"? just curious.

Alaska Permanent Fund vs. Bureau of Land Management

[gypsy]

Alaska Permanent Fund vs. Bureau of Land Management

isn't that just a matter of how the revenue is divvied up? they're both government programs. not sure i'm seeing the distinction, or what makes one "social" and the other not.

[rikki]

This leftist model for society is a little freshman college for a guy of your maturity, rikki.

Apparently you are called Godzilla because your brain is the size of a walnut and your thinking entirely reflexive. If you have a problem with the way Alaska manages oil royalties, you should take it up with Palin, not me.

Meanwhile, you and the Didgit dutifully demonstrated the lack of comprehension and poor grasp of economics to which I alluded. The right is like a pack of dogs than a political party.

[gypsy]

meanwhile, back in alaska (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=8016906&page=1)...

[# 9]

Meanwhile, you and the Didgit dutifully demonstrated the lack of comprehension and poor grasp of economics to which I alluded. The right is like a pack of dogs than a political party.

http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/ma_021Chihuahua.jpg

Bark it comrade.

[jumblemind]

I think on a national level, your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.

There is no "Department of Law" at the White House.

Pretty funny, but the journalist definitely milked the timing and timbre of that clarification. And ending with that weird stutter quote? Come on, now. Anderson Cooper's head scratching is one thing, but this is almost pandering.

[jumblemind]

The "IT Girl" motive is the rationale in the lead for me. She has the makings of the Paris Hilton of politics. She'll be able to move about with confusing acceptance, unencumbered by the reality that anyone else inhabits. Lots of politicians don't share my reality, but they usually make attempts at appearing that away.

[rikki]

isn't that just a matter of how the revenue is divvied up? they're both government programs. not sure i'm seeing the distinction, or what makes one "social" and the other not.

They are both social. I'm not saying one is and the other isn't, just that natural resources are valued better when citizens have a more tangible stake in the matter. When royalties go straight into government coffers, you get bloated bureaucracies and patronage and profiteering, all of which we see in spades in federal management of natural resources.

Those same corrupting influences exist in Alaska, but they are better held in check because people can more directly perceive that they get ripped off by giveaways and cheats. It's no coincidence that a politician from Alaska can have success with the sort of anti-corruption, populist rhetoric Palin uses, and within the confines of that state's oil and gas leasing, she may actually be a decent guardian of the people's interests.

Unfortunately, beyond those confines she has demonstrated ample capacity for abusing power and little understanding of the broader world. Still, it would be interesting if she developed a serious anti-corruption platform aimed at the federal government. Dennis Kucinich would surely welcome the help.

[binR Bishop]

Pretty funny, but the journalist definitely milked the timing and timbre of that clarification. And ending with that weird stutter quote? Come on, now. Anderson Cooper's head scratching is one thing, but this is almost pandering.

I dunno. It looks to me like it's just portraying Palin accurately.

Dept of Law - do you think maybe she meant the Justice Dept? Of course, it's not in the White House (well, except during the last administration....)

[gypsy]

Pretty funny, but the journalist definitely milked the timing and timbre of that clarification. And ending with that weird stutter quote? Come on, now. Anderson Cooper's head scratching is one thing, but this is almost pandering.

i'd say it was more of an easy shot than a cheap one. but even if you allow that she probably means the justice department, she still manages to combine ignorance about its actual function (i.e. it is not there as the president's private law firm -- although you can see how she might have that impression from watching bush and gonzales) with a fantasy of unchecked executive power. basically, 'if i was in the white house i would be able to crush my enemies, mwahahahaha!'

[gypsy]

They are both social. I'm not saying one is and the other isn't, just that natural resources are valued better when citizens have a more tangible stake in the matter. When royalties go straight into government coffers, you get bloated bureaucracies and patronage and profiteering, all of which we see in spades in federal management of natural resources.

yeah, no argument there.

i like norway's sovereign wealth fund model more than the alaska hand-out. but either is preferable to giving away public resources to favored private operators at pennies on the dollar.

[# 9]

meanwhile, back in alaska (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=8016906&page=1)...

Looks like she got tired of being accosted by thugs. Half a million in legal fees, down here we pay the legal fees for our politicians.

Why should she have stayed in office? What work could she have gotten done anyway?

[gypsy]

Why should she have stayed in office? What work could she have gotten done anyway?

hey, when she says that her leaving office is the best thing for alaska, i'm not sure there's anyone disagreeing with her. i can think of a lot of elected officials i wish would follow her example.

[rikki]

i like norway's sovereign wealth fund model more than the alaska hand-out. but either is preferable to giving away public resources to favored private operators at pennies on the dollar.

Exactly. And imagine if she were to get her subliterate hordes seriously thinking about how monied interests corrupt politics. I know, it's a fantasy, sort of like thinking our little exchange might clue in the Didgit or lizardbrain to what the conversation is actually about.

[Rocky Hillian]

reading the Vanity Fair piece on Palin:


More than once in my travels in Alaska, people brought up, without prompting, the question of Palin’s extravagant self-regard. Several told me, independently of one another, that they had consulted the definition of “narcissistic personality disorder” in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders—“a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy”—and thought it fit her perfectly. When Trig was born, Palin wrote an e-mail letter to friends and relatives, describing the belated news of her pregnancy and detailing Trig’s condition; she wrote the e-mail not in her own name but in God’s, and signed it “Trig’s Creator, Your Heavenly Father.”

[# 9]

Exactly. And imagine if she were to get her subliterate hordes seriously thinking about how monied interests corrupt politics. I know, it's a fantasy, sort of like thinking our little exchange might clue in the Didgit or lizardbrain to what the conversation is actually about.

I get the conversation. The hatred of those who have more is pretty obvious.

Why is it many Marxist have tons of education? Or would the better word be indoctrination?

Capitalism is far from a perfect Utopia. But it does work better than the alternatives.

So you think the mineral rights on public lands should be divided and given to the people? Kind of a public welfare system based on royalties. Okay, fine.

Another idea to raise the price of everything. It seems you like ideas to raise the price of everything. Be it cap and tax or this new idea of public welfare royalties.

Your Utopia would bankrupt this country. But first it would decimate poor people. The same people you supposedly care so much about.

I don't think there can be too much education. But there certainly can be too much indoctrination. Go learn something comrade.

[samorost]

But first it would decimate poor people.

It would kill every tenth poor person by bludgeoning?

[Hayduke]

Pretty funny, but the journalist definitely milked the timing and timbre of that clarification. And ending with that weird stutter quote? Come on, now. Anderson Cooper's head scratching is one thing, but this is almost pandering.

I'd take the position that any reporting that failed to convey her incoherence and reality disconnect would be negligent.

Give me the job of deciding between candidates to run the CERN laboratory and I'm not going to be equipped to judge their merits. Is the problem that, while she's not smart enough to be governor or VP, she is smarter than most Americans (and some Blabbers) and they're not able to tell the difference?

[rikki]

I get the conversation.

No, you are just airing your prejudice and ignorance for all to see. You are prattling about nonsense and demonstrating little more than poor reading skills and bad intentions.

[# 9]

It would kill every tenth poor person by bludgeoning?


If you're trying to be the word police, you're doing it wrong.

[samorost]

If you're trying to be the word police, you're doing it wrong.

If you're trying to use the word decimate, you're using it wrong.

[# 9]

If you're trying to use the word decimate, you're using it wrong.

Okay, learn me, Dr. Word Person.

[PrinceWince]

If you're trying to use the word decimate, you're using it wrong.

Education's for filthy Marxists, anyway.

[# 9]

If you're trying to use the word decimate, you're using it wrong.

b: to cause great destruction or harm to <firebombs decimated the city> <an industry decimated by recession>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimate

So drastically raising prices would not decimate the poor? Well, what would it do then?

Progressives are fun. Do you have a decider badge?

[relentless1]

From Merriam Webster
Main Entry:
dec·i·mate Listen to the pronunciation of decimate
Pronunciation:
\ˈde-sə-ˌmāt\
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
dec·i·mat·ed; dec·i·mat·ing
Etymology:
Latin decimatus, past participle of decimare, from decimus tenth, from decem ten
Date:
1660
1: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of

2: to exact a tax of 10 percent from <poor as a decimated Cavalier — John Dryden>

3: to reduce drastically especially in number <cholera decimated the population> b: to cause great destruction or harm to <firebombs decimated the city> <an industry decimated by recession>

— dec·i·ma·tion Listen to the pronunciation of decimation \ˌde-sə-ˈmā-shən\ noun

EDIT: Damn, beat me to it.

[samorost]

Okay, learn me, Dr. Word Person.

In the context of your yammering you are suggesting -- by use of the word decimate -- the murder of poor people. I understand hyperbole, but I think you misunderstand the word decimate.

[Godzilla]

Education's for filthy Marxists, anyway.
There is a difference between education and indoctrination.

Brainwashing?

[# 9]

In the context of your yammering you are suggesting -- by use of the word decimate -- the murder of poor people. I understand hyperbole, but I think you misunderstand the word decimate.

I'll go for door number 3b, Gene.

All right, a new car.

[# 9]

there is a difference between education and indoctrination.

Brainwashing?

ftw

[shady lane]

take it outside, fellas. (http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showthread.php?t=12811&highlight=decimate)

[PrinceWince]

There is a difference between education and indoctrination.

Brainwashing?

The "etymology = indoctrination" argument is too close to the rationale used for things like nukyular for my taste, but if you want to use it, go nuts.

[samorost]

I'm a fan of never using the word decimate unless you're speaking of its original meaning. The use of the word outside of that context suggests a lack of understanding of roman history, which suggests lack of understanding of other things.

As far as railing on education... yeah, good luck with that.

[Hank IV]

So you think the mineral rights on public lands should be divided and given to the people?

public lands. Not corporate lands.


Be it cap and tax or this new idea of public welfare royalties.

What about corporate welfare?

[Hank IV]

b: to cause great destruction or harm to <firebombs decimated the city> <an industry decimated by recession>


An industry crippled by CEOs moving jobs overseas for short term profits.

Is that's what it's all about, digit? Short term profits for a few individuals paid for by the suffering of the majority?

[# 9]

In the context of your yammering you are suggesting -- by use of the word decimate -- the murder of poor people. I understand hyperbole, but I think you misunderstand the word decimate.

Now that Cafkia has issued an ultimatum (http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showthread.php?t=12811&highlight=decimate). The tie must be broken. I demand Blab justice.

I suggest award winning writer Charles Maldonado make the final ruling. Mostly to piss off the Prince, and because there must be a final decision. And of course Cafkia is full of it. Last time I checked, there are no laws concerning the word decimate.

So, Word Police, what word is more urban hipster to use instead of decimate?

Yo Cafkia,

http://jaredude.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/churchlady.jpg

You ain't in charge.

[samorost]

Last time I checked, there are no laws concerning the word decimate.

You're in luck; there are no laws against being an annoying idiot, either.

[PrinceWince]

Pffft. You underestimate the Scripps Pyramid of Satanic Power.

[Gray]

Looks like she got tired of being accosted by thugs. Half a million in legal fees, down here we pay the legal fees for our politicians.

Why should she have stayed in office? What work could she have gotten done anyway?

Oh, I don't know, how about doing the job you were elected to do? So she's taking her ball and going home because she has political enemies who are trying to bring her down, and she just can't take it anymore? Awww. Cry me a river. It's called "politics." What happened to Sarah Barracuda, the bad-ass point guard/huntress who killed herself a bear when she was only three?

For all intents and purposes, she's telling the people of Alaska that the job of being their governor is beneath her. Maybe she just wants to get paid. If I were Glenn Beck, I'd be polishing up my resume.

[gypsy]

take it outside, fellas. (http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showthread.php?t=12811&highlight=decimate)

that was a fun thread.

[Gray]

Now that Cafkia has issued an ultimatum (http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showthread.php?t=12811&highlight=decimate). The tie must be broken. I demand Blab justice.

I suggest award winning writer Charles Maldonado make the final ruling. Mostly to piss off the Prince, and because there must be a final decision. And of course Cafkia is full of it. Last time I checked, there are no laws concerning the word decimate.

So, Word Police, what word is more urban hipster to use instead of decimate?

Yo Cafkia,

http://jaredude.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/churchlady.jpg

You ain't in charge.

You know, when I was attending my fantasy football league pre-draft party at the Sidestreet Tavern last week along with several of my fellow Blabbers, I kept looking around, thinking, "God, what a bunch of urban hipsters we are. Shouldn't we have had this at Sapphire?"

[# 9]

Pffft. You underestimate the Scripps Pyramid of Satanic Power.

How about that Charles Maldonado? Damn fine writer.

[Raincrow]

that was a fun thread.

We were so young and carefree back then.

What happened to the dream?

[# 9]

You know, when I was attending my fantasy football league pre-draft party at the Sidestreet Tavern last week along with several of my fellow Blabbers, I kept looking around, thinking, "God, what a bunch of urban hipsters we are. Shouldn't we have had this at Sapphire?"

I share your pain. I'm with ya buddy.

[Raincrow]

... Shouldn't we have had this at Sapphire?"

All right, dammit. You DID see me hiding behind that fucked-up-design martini glass?

[# 9]

What about corporate welfare?

I take you don't read anything I write. Why in the world would you think I support corporate welfare.

TIF's are corporate welfare.

Try actually reading some of what I write. You might be surprised.

[Gray]

I share your pain. I'm with ya buddy.

No, you don't. If you were even remotely cool enough to be in our league, you would have wanted it to be at the Farragut Mellow Mushroom.

[PrinceWince]

How about that Charles Maldonado? Damn fine writer.

I don't know where this rumor that C-Mal and I aren't cool came from. He's a talented writer, he doesn't get annoying when he's had a few (at least in my experience), and I'm sure he'll come down on the right side of the fence in this debate.


...if he knows what's good for him.

[Raincrow]

She should let Willow write her speeches.
http://www.quotergal.com/whedonesque/willow-tougheyes.jpg

[Hank IV]

I take you don't read anything I write. Why in the world would you think I support corporate welfare.

TIF's are corporate welfare.

Try actually reading some of what I write. You might be surprised.

And giving corporations sweetheart deals to rape and pillage public lands isn't welfare?

[# 9]

And giving corporations sweetheart deals to rape and pillage public lands isn't welfare?

?

Again, why do you think I would support that?

This is kind of funny. This idea that our government has supported capitalism since 1960. The size of government has exploded since 1960. Maybe the reason you think capitalism sucks is your concept that what we have is capitalism. It ain't.

This isn't capitalism. It is Oligarchy. Obama and team are trying to move it to Oligarchy with the illusion of supposed fairness. Their idea is government Oligarchy instead of private Oligarchy.

We need no Oligarchy. None.

Capitalism, real capitalism, will solve the problem.

For a country that fought a Revolution to free itself from a Monarchy, this country drank the kool aid in the 60's. A government Oligarchy is no better than private Oligarchies.

So how is that power to the people stuff working for ya? You happy with this?

[# 9]

http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif resign? you betcha! (http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/showthread.php?p=343271#post343271) 07-07-2009 12:57 PM toby (http://funhouserock.com/funhouse/blab/member.php?u=236) But the US health system isn't?

Apparently Metulj will only be contributing off line.

Feel better buddy.

[rikki]

I understood what you meant by "decimate," Didgit. I also understand why you feel the need to run away from a discussion then revive it days later under your own terms, rephrasing and recasting the positions other people have taken so as to better conform to your simplistic prejudices. It's because you are too intellectually timid to venture beyond right-wing propaganda and name-calling.

This isn't a conversation about Marxism. I'm comparing Alaska's handling of oil royalties to the federal government's handling of those royalties, in the context of how corruptible each system is. You've contributed nothing to that discussion but noise.

I'm not a social scientist like our geographer friend. I just studied the physical sciences, so I never had to read Marx and never have. I do know what Marxism is, however, and it's nothing I'm interested in. I'm sure you and lizardbrain will keep calling me a Marxist as you please, of course, because decency is nothing you're interested in.

[rikki]

Again, why do you think I would support that?


Because when I spoke critically of the kind of corporate welfare Hank is talking about, you ridiculed me.

Hank is making the mistake of thinking your positions are logical and that you understand what people are talking about. You telling him to actually read what you write is hilarious, though I'm sure the irony is lost on you.

[# 9]

This isn't a conversation about Marxism. I'm comparing Alaska's handling of oil royalties to the federal government's handling of those royalties, in the context of how corruptible each system is. You've contributed nothing to that discussion but noise.



I believe I addressed that rikki.

"Their idea is government Oligarchy instead of private Oligarchy."

The illusion is the illusion of fairness. The discussion could be why Oligarchies are bad no matter who controls them.

Well?

You may interpret how Marxism is a tool of Oligarchs. In fact, that would be interesting.

[CubeDoctor]

hey, when she says that her leaving office is the best thing for alaska, i'm not sure there's anyone disagreeing with her. i can think of a lot of elected officials i wish would follow her example.
Amen on the “I can think of a lot of elected officials i wish would follow her example.”

[CubeDoctor]

No, you don't. If you were even remotely cool enough to be in our league, you would have wanted it to be at the Farragut Mellow Mushroom.
I will co-sponsor a “church meeting” some Wednesday at the Farragut Mellow Mushroom with you Gray. I will buy Pizza for any blabbers that attend. (I know better than to make the same offer on beer.)

A “break bread together” type of evening would be nice. Leave the hostilities at home!

I would like to meet jsmith.

[CubeDoctor]

I understood what you meant by "decimate," Didgit. I also understand why you feel the need to run away from a discussion then revive it days later under your own terms, rephrasing and recasting the positions other people have taken so as to better conform to your simplistic prejudices. It's because you are too intellectually timid to venture beyond right-wing propaganda and name-calling.

This isn't a conversation about Marxism. I'm comparing Alaska's handling of oil royalties to the federal government's handling of those royalties, in the context of how corruptible each system is. You've contributed nothing to that discussion but noise.

I'm not a social scientist like our geographer friend. I just studied the physical sciences, so I never had to read Marx and never have. I do know what Marxism is, however, and it's nothing I'm interested in. I'm sure you and lizardbrain will keep calling me a Marxist as you please, of course, because decency is nothing you're interested in.

Is decency not way overrated?

[Ripshod]

Is decency not way overrated?

Yes.

[Raincrow]

I would like to meet jsmith.

I would like to meet someone who thinks Sarah Palin is anything other than a grotesquerie whose very existence on the political stage is a very ominous portent of things to come.

[CubeDoctor]

I would like to meet someone who thinks Sarah Palin is anything other than a grotesquerie whose very existence on the political stage is a very ominous portent of things to come.
You want to meet jsmith too? cool!

[Hildegard]

I will co-sponsor a “church meeting” some Wednesday at the Farragut Mellow Mushroom with you Gray. I will buy Pizza for any blabbers that attend. (I know better than to make the same offer on beer.)

A “break bread together” type of evening would be nice. Leave the hostilities at home!

I would like to meet jsmith.

OK I'll get this started. I can be there next Wednesday night (July 15), 7 p.m.

[earlnemo]

OK I'll get this started. I can be there next Wednesday night (July 15), 7 p.m.

Have you no shame?? First you try to sell you Bed to some unsuspecting blabber and now you're sirening and hiking your skirt for Cube Dr.? I have to ask: Do you or do you not have a pancake on your head?

[Hildegard]

Do you or do you not have a pancake on your head?

Awesome idea. Here's a cube for ya. I was just wondering what I should wear.

[CubeDoctor]

Awesome idea. Here's a cube for ya. I was just wondering what I should wear.
Casual would be great….it is too hot for leather. The parking is free. Pancakes are optional. Hiking skirts will not be necessary….but whatever you feel like is ok with me.

[CubeDoctor]

Have you no shame?? First you try to sell you Bed to some unsuspecting blabber and now you're sirening and hiking your skirt for Cube Dr.? I have to ask: Do you or do you not have a pancake on your head?
Come on earl….it will be fun. After all, we are all just people….right? That bed probably has a lot of history. Hilde can tell us all about it on the 15th.

[binR Bishop]

Sigh.

TIFs, especially infrastructure TIFs, done properly are NOT corporate welfare.

But we've had this discussion before and I doubt if you can tell me the difference between an infrastructure TIF and a private TIF.

No fair googling.

[trancendyce]

Do you or do you not have a pancake on your head?

pancakes are the new pill-box hat.

"well, you must tell me, baby
how your head feels under somethin' like that"

[jumblemind]

I'd take the position that any reporting that failed to convey her incoherence and reality disconnect would be negligent.

I don't think you have to use comedic timing in the placement of quotes and points of information to convey that, is all. It stands well enough on its own.

[hard69rock]

I'm pretty sure she did what she did so she can better go after the idiots that relentlessly go after her.
As a publc figure she can't. As a private citizen , she can.
She just outsmarted all the liberals who went after her

[CAFKIA]

I'm pretty sure she did what she did so she can better go after the idiots that relentlessly go after her.
As a publc figure she can't. As a private citizen , she can.
She just outsmarted all the liberals who went after her
Wait, I thought we liberals were wussy pacifists. Now you are saying that we can hound a brave, gun owning/using, self-sufficient, woman of the people until she quits her elected position? Sounds to me like we liberals must be bad-assed muthafuckas.

(personally, I liked her better as just another pubic figure.)

[The_Editor]

liberals must be bad-assed muthafuckas.


I want the following on a T-Shirt:


Bad-Assed
Liberal
Muthafucka

[hard69rock]

1)Wait, I thought we liberals were wussy pacifists.

2)Now you are saying that we can hound a brave, gun owning/using, self-sufficient, woman of the people until she quits her elected position?

3)Sounds to me like we liberals must be bad-assed muthafuckas.

4) (personally, I liked her better as just another pubic figure.)

1) I never said Liberals were wussy pacifists. They are more than willing to kill unborn children but not our actual enemies.

2) Palin's resignation was a strategic move that will allow her to replace the Indonesian illegal currently in office.

3) No, but if it makes you feel better...

4) And I'll like her better as President.

[Exodor]

You motherfucker. You owe me a new monitor.

Because I just punched mine to pieces.

[Godzilla]

You motherfucker. You owe me a new monitor.

Because I just punched mine to pieces.
You should get a flat screen this time. They do not break as easy.

[Scott]

The great republican(tory,wig) party and the great thinkers lol.

[Hi Top]

I'm pretty sure she did what she did so she can better go after the idiots that relentlessly go after her.
As a publc figure she can't. As a private citizen , she can.
She just outsmarted all the liberals who went after her
I never expected to see the words "she" (Palin) and "outsmarted" used in that context. Hilarious!

[samorost]

(personally, I liked her better as just another pubic figure.)

Yeah, I always thought she was kinda MILFy.

[trancendyce]

http://www.morphthing.com/showimage/2/6c6a0f8012549d09f52d8997686b085b/0/7668251/Sarah-Palin-and-George-W-Bush.jpeg

[B-Boy]

I really hope they keep thinking/voting this way:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-07-palin-poll_N.htm

And then they go the way of the dinosaur. If this keeps up, the GOP will have no moderates or independents voting for their candidates, at all. But isn't that what the "the base" wants?

[Celestial Dung]

Ok the Camille Paglia column was minor. The only laugh out loud moment being when she somehow figured that Palin "cleaned Biden's clock". That's kind of funny.

But this one is cute and funny




http://assets.comics.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/80000/8000/900/288988/288988.full.gif

[B-Boy]

If Governor-Not Governor Palin does not work out for the mighty GOP, how about airhead #2?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/victoria-jackson-former-s_n_227781.html

[hard69rock]

I never expected to see the words "she" (Palin) and "outsmarted" used in that context. Hilarious!

In the world today you get to hear a lot of stuff like that;
President Obama
Secretary of State Clinton
Speaker of the House Pelosi
Secretary of the Treasury Geithner

Sure, not as funny as it is scary but it is what it is.

[Hi Top]

In the world today you get to hear a lot of stuff like that;
President Obama
Secretary of State Clinton
Speaker of the House Pelosi
Secretary of the Treasury Geithner

Sure, not as funny as it is scary but it is what it is.

Not nearly as scary as the previous 8 years.

[Keef Riffers]

I just wanted to get 200 if I could. PISS!!! somebody beat me to it. oh well. You know this thread actually had a moderate rebound there about 4 pages back there was some pretty informative stuff. The amount of info covered in this thread is pretty diverse and it was all due to sarah pailin!!!

Your right though bush's 8 years pales ANYTHING you put next to it. EVER

As a matter of fact he was the key player in all this we wouldnt be able to address these real issues. Ironically it was Bush and co's broad and thorough damage of everything foreign and domestic that you can combine in possible sequence in a sentence of the utmost creativity. Thank JAYSUS for Bush and them. Aman?

[PrinceWince]

Not nearly as scary as the previous 8 years.

"Halliburton no-bid contracts" still gives me the jibblies.

[samorost]

http://eslack.com/files/1076974504.jpg

[# 9]

http://eslack.com/files/1076974504.jpg

Substitute the picture for Michelle, Hillary, or Nancy. Would it be appropriate?

No.

You are an idiot.

[hard69rock]

Not nearly as scary as the previous 8 years.

But it will be better in about three and a half. Or less.

[samorost]

http://eslack.com/files/1076974504.jpg

just wanted to see it again, 9.

[binR Bishop]

Substitute the picture for Michelle, Hillary, or Nancy. Would it be appropriate?

No.

You are an idiot.

None of them have figuratively shot themselves in the head. So no, it wouldn't be appropriate.

[gypsy]

or maybe she's just taking herself hostage.

[earlnemo]

or maybe she's just taking herself hostage.


Good point! Because if she wanted to blow her brains out she woulda shot Limbaugh, right?

[gordongekkojr]

Liberals are so smart! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kSUNn5rgE)

[trancendyce]

http://eslack.com/files/1076974504.jpg

awesome!

[fluffy]

Liberals are so smart! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kSUNn5rgE)

good lord man. you do realize no one takes al sharpton seriously, right? even to democrats hes a joke.

[fluffy]

But it will be better in about three and a half. Or less.

our soldiers are finally pulling out of major iraqi cities, and handing control over to their own military. and we are one again concentrating efforts back onto afghanistan, which W failed to do when he focused on iraq, a country that didnt attack us. so yeah things are better. at least on that front.

[Scott]

our soldiers are finally pulling out of major iraqi cities, and handing control over to their own military. and we are one again concentrating efforts back onto afghanistan, which W failed to do when he focused on iraq, a country that didnt attack us. so yeah things are better. at least on that front.

And Obama is talking to Russia about a Nuclear Draw down, I am still floored that we have a president actively working to get rid of nuclear weapons. He said he was going to do this very thing when I heard him in Boston before he go the nomination and now he is doing it.

Pretty Cool. FThaters

[Mykhailo]

good lord man. you do realize no one takes al sharpton seriously, right? even to democrats hes a joke.
Yeah. Ooo, that really stung, gecko. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khBECeit2xc)

[Mountain Girl]

I'm pretty sure she did what she did so she can better go after the idiots that relentlessly go after her.
As a publc figure she can't. As a private citizen , she can.
She just outsmarted all the liberals who went after her

Just to reiterate:

But what you don't realize is that you're only one more "Free Bird" shoutin, living in a trailer despite the storms, barefoot in Wal-Mart, buying red-bull and starbucks with your ebt card, mouth breather that comes around here all too often trying to argue that "libruls are stupid."

http://thereifixedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tifi-pool.jpg
From his myspace: Livin' it up with the fam while watching the debates.

[PrinceWince]

Whatever. That El Camino's ballin'.

[Hank IV]

http://thereifixedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tifi-pool.jpg
From his myspace: Livin' it up with the fam while watching the debates.

El Camino. The original hybrid.

[earlnemo]

http://eslack.com/files/1076974504.jpg



And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched...

[Raincrow]

Don't nobody move or the crazy white bitch gets it!

http://eslack.com/files/1076974504.jpg

[Mountain Girl]

El Camino. The original hybrid.


El Camino, El El Camino
The front is like a car
The back is like a truck
The front is where you drive
And the back is where you...
El Camino El El Camino

[Hank IV]

El Camino, El El Camino
The front is like a car
The back is like a truck
The front is where you drive
And the back is where you...
El Camino El El Camino


Business in the front, party in the back.

[B-Boy]

Well, well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/adn-confirms-palins-story_n_228683.html

How can anyone really take this person seriously?

[trancendyce]

http://kingjamie.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/sarah-palin-shirt2.jpg

[relentless1]

Apparently the guy in back supports the scary Grudge girl for president.

[faybe]

Apparently the guy in back supports the scary Grudge girl for president.

lol, didn't notice that! that was a nice look-back moment for me.

[trancendyce]

Apparently the guy in back supports the scary Grudge girl for president.

do you mean sarah michelle gellar? i've only seen the original j-horror versions and there are no blonde girls in those.

[PrinceWince]

http://kingjamie.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/sarah-palin-shirt2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/Modok.PNG

MODOK is intrigued.

[gordongekkojr]

good lord man. you do realize no one takes al sharpton seriously, right? even to democrats hes a joke.

Somebody better tell this guy then....

http://husaria.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/sharpton_obama2.jpg

http://uvtblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/barack-obama-greens.jpg

http://www.barack-n-michelle.com/images/barack_obama_reverend_al_sharpton_02.jpg

[Ripshod]

Wow, pictures of them together. Sharing a meal even. They must be best buds because, you know ...

http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/dennert/archives/rumsfeld_saddam.jpg

[relentless1]

do you mean sarah michelle gellar? i've only seen the original j-horror versions and there are no blonde girls in those.

Nope. Her.
http://famousmonstersoffilmland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/the-grudge.jpg

[trancendyce]

ah, ok. have you seen the originals? just curious. of course by the time the american movie industry caught on, it was already passe

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ju-on.jpg

[The Lurker]

God Bless 'merika... (yes, its real (http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-243-410--13221-0,00.html)). The only thing the pic is missing is apple pie and a baseball bat.

http://www.runnersworld.com/photo/sarahpalin/images/sarahpalin_200908_477x600_7.jpg

[trancendyce]

don't be fooled. this is the real palin.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/46500/Sarah-Palin-Pitbull-With-Lipstick-46860.jpg

[fluffy]

Somebody better tell this guy then....

oh, so we are using images to indicate questionable behavior as proof of guilt by association? well then, lets crack out these chestnuts;

http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

http://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/bush-abdullah.jpg

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/contra_mtg.jpg

[Ripshod]

Rumor from another board, trying to verify now.

Sarah just inked an $11 million deal with Fox.

Still checking ...

[relentless1]

Watch out Nancy Grace.

[samorost]

Rumor from another board, trying to verify now.

Sarah just inked an $11 million deal with Fox.

Still checking ...

Even Fox reported (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc) on how much of an idiot she is. Makes perfect sense that they would want her on board.

[gordongekkojr]

Even Fox reported (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc) on how much of an idiot she is. Makes perfect sense that they would want her on board.

Thats an internet rumor I would buy into.

[gypsy]

Somebody better tell this guy then....

well, i don't think it's quite true that democrats don't take al sharpton seriously. they don't take him seriously intellectually, or as an important voice on the issues of the day, but the man has a constituency, and pissing him off is more trouble than it's worth.

republicans might think of this as the rush limbaugh phenomenon -- although rush has a much bigger presence on the right than sharpton has ever had on the left, by a factor of 10 or more.

[fluffy]

Even Fox reported (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc) on how much of an idiot she is. Makes perfect sense that they would want her on board.

seems they are changing their tune now. gee, wonder why;

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531365,00.html

[Hayduke]

Frank Rich has a good take on it today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12rich.html

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/11/opinion/12blittspan.jpg


...It’s more likely that she will never get anywhere near the White House, and not just because of her own limitations. The Palinist “real America” is demographically doomed to keep shrinking. But the emotion it represents is disproportionately powerful for its numbers. It’s an anger that Palin enjoyed stoking during her “palling around with terrorists” crusade against Obama on the campaign trail. It’s an anger that’s curdled into self-martyrdom since Inauguration Day....

These are the cries of a constituency that feels disenfranchised — by the powerful and the well-educated who gamed the housing bubble, by a news media it keeps being told is hateful, by the immigrants who have taken some of their jobs, by the African-American who has ended a white monopoly on the White House. Palin is their born avatar. She puts a happy, sexy face on ugly emotions, and she can solidify her followers’ hold on a G.O.P. that has no leaders with the guts or alternative vision to stand up to them or to her.

[fluffy]

this may have already been posted, but if mccain had won the election and palin had decided to quit now, wouldnt that mean that the speaker of the house takes over the position?

Pelosi, conservatives. think about it.

[PrinceWince]

this may have already been posted, but if mccain had won the election and palin had decided to quit now, wouldnt that mean that the speaker of the house takes over the position?

Pelosi, conservatives. think about it.

Per Section 2 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the Constitution, Vice Presidential vacancies are filled by a Presidential nominee who is then voted upon by both houses of Congress.

[trancendyce]

http://images.furry.com/sawyer/d/14954-1/Sarah-Palin-Hunter.jpg

[Hank IV]

http://images.furry.com/sawyer/d/14954-1/Sarah-Palin-Hunter.jpg


I think we have a winner.

[PrinceWince]

...or do we?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/13/us/13palin.xlarge1.jpg

[Hayduke]

...or do we?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/13/us/13palin.xlarge1.jpg

Common childhood exorcism. That poor kid was going to grow up to be a gay environmentalist socialist. Had to be stopped. Nothing to see here, move along.

[gordongekkojr]

Frank Rich has a good take on it today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12rich.html

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/11/opinion/12blittspan.jpg

and even more obvious when you are a Republican who lives in the most heavily fortified Republican stronghold (East Tennessee) of a heavily Republican territory (Tennessee), which is only one of two states who voted more Republican in the 2008 Prez race than the 2004 race.

[Hayduke]

and even more obvious when you are a Republican who lives in the most heavily fortified Republican stronghold (East Tennessee) of a heavily Republican territory (Tennessee), which is only one of two states who voted more Republican in the 2008 Prez race than the 2004 race.

Trying to appease these people is going to delay the recovery of the Republican Party for years. I wonder if it might be better in places like TN where the Party is more secure, or if (as anecdotal evidence suggests) the proportions are the same and we have even more empowered clueless to deal with.

Tried (and failed) to find the Margaret Thatcher quote about knowing her party wouldn't always hold the government but that they had a responsibility to hang on until the Labour Party was sane. Seems a good time to tip that on its ear.