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Deanna's Daydreamer
06-22-2008, 05:03 AM
This is one of the issues where I break with my fellow conservatives.

Let 'em get married!

Let's do this social experiment, and what we MIGHT end up with... is worldwide admiration, instead of condemnation. Let them do it, California! What so many humans don't see is that you DO NOT choose... your sexuality;

your sexuality... chooses YOU.

WhatEVER your little deal is? It's the way you are. If you are a girl who just DIGS guys in uniform? Perhaps that is your kick. You like cop guys. You like military pilots, or civilian airliner pilots. Or Whatever. Guys in suits. What___EVER that is? You can never change it. Same thing for fetish, or fantasy. Whatever your little kick is.... that is the way you are wired, and you will never change it. Human sexuality is a complex subject,

and modern shrinks

are FAR MORE QUALIFIED

TO TELL US about it

than modern preachers.
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Gay couples across California trade weekend vows By CHRISTINA HOAG, Associated Press Writers

Same-sex couples across California exchanged vows and wedding bands on the first weekend since the state began allowing gays and lesbians to legally marry.

The city of West Hollywood, a staunch advocate of marriage rights for gays and lesbians, hosted a daylong marriage marathon Saturday, when about 100 same-sex couples planned to wed in ceremonies officiated by council members and administrators.

Accompanied by camera-toting clusters of relatives and friends, couples traded vows under white trellises trimmed with red roses inside curtained cabanas in West Hollywood Park.

Among them were Nancy Vasquez and Sandy Perron, partners of 16 years, who got their marriage license at West Hollywood City Hall on Tuesday and returned Saturday for the ceremony.

"This is just the icing on the cake," said Perron, a 45 year-old human resources assistant from Gardena. "It's something we've been waiting for."

California became the only U.S. state besides Massachusetts to allow gay couples to marry on Monday, one month after the state Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage.

But the wedding spree could be short-lived if voters approve a November ballot initiative that would reverse the May 15 court ruling and amend the state Constitution to bar gay marriage.

For Susan and River Mika Coyote of Incline Village, Nev., getting married at the Sacramento gay pride festival was a statement about human rights, as well as their personal commitment. The couple held a ceremony five years ago, legally combined their names and bank accounts, and bought a home together.

River, 38, said she hopes hundreds of gay marriages in coming months will help dissuade voters from supporting a constitutional ban on the November ballot.

"It's easy when people think of gay people as 'those people,'" she said. "If you check that box you're taking away the marriage of River and Susie — it's not 'those people.' We're normal people who want to take care of each other."

The gay wedding boom has been good for business. Tom Rosa, owner of the Cake And Art bakery in West Hollywood, said business has tripled in the past week, and on one day he did as many consultations as he usually does in a month.

Rainbow-colored cakes are popular, but some couples are wild for a silver-studded all black cake, said Rosa, who baked four cakes for same-sex couples marrying at West Hollywood Park.

Many couples waited until Saturday to get married so they could share the day with family and friends and not be part of the media hoopla and protests that surrounded ceremonies earlier in the week.

"We didn't want that to take away from our occasion. It means a lot to us," said Pat Melchor of Downey, who married her partner of 11 years, the new Mrs. Cheryl Melchor, who was clutching a bouquet of white roses as they posed for photos.

West Hollywood Councilman John Heilman, who was deputized by the county deputy commissioner of civil marriages to officiate weddings in June, said the day was proving emotional, especially for couples who had been together for many years.

"Everyone's crying," he said. "People are bringing their family and friends. That's what been nicer about today."

metulj
06-22-2008, 08:49 PM
This is one of the issues where I break with my fellow conservatives.

Let 'em get married!

Let's do this social experiment, and what we MIGHT end up with... is worldwide admiration, instead of condemnation. Let them do it, California! What so many humans don't see is that you DO NOT choose... your sexuality;

your sexuality... chooses YOU.

WhatEVER your little deal is? It's the way you are. If you are a girl who just DIGS guys in uniform? Perhaps that is your kick. You like cop guys. You like military pilots, or civilian airliner pilots. Or Whatever. Guys in suits. What___EVER that is? You can never change it. Same thing for fetish, or fantasy. Whatever your little kick is.... that is the way you are wired, and you will never change it. Human sexuality is a complex subject,

and modern shrinks

are FAR MORE QUALIFIED

TO TELL US about it

than modern preachers.
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Gay couples across California trade weekend vows By CHRISTINA HOAG, Associated Press Writers

Same-sex couples across California exchanged vows and wedding bands on the first weekend since the state began allowing gays and lesbians to legally marry.

The city of West Hollywood, a staunch advocate of marriage rights for gays and lesbians, hosted a daylong marriage marathon Saturday, when about 100 same-sex couples planned to wed in ceremonies officiated by council members and administrators.

Accompanied by camera-toting clusters of relatives and friends, couples traded vows under white trellises trimmed with red roses inside curtained cabanas in West Hollywood Park.

Among them were Nancy Vasquez and Sandy Perron, partners of 16 years, who got their marriage license at West Hollywood City Hall on Tuesday and returned Saturday for the ceremony.

"This is just the icing on the cake," said Perron, a 45 year-old human resources assistant from Gardena. "It's something we've been waiting for."

California became the only U.S. state besides Massachusetts to allow gay couples to marry on Monday, one month after the state Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage.

But the wedding spree could be short-lived if voters approve a November ballot initiative that would reverse the May 15 court ruling and amend the state Constitution to bar gay marriage.

For Susan and River Mika Coyote of Incline Village, Nev., getting married at the Sacramento gay pride festival was a statement about human rights, as well as their personal commitment. The couple held a ceremony five years ago, legally combined their names and bank accounts, and bought a home together.

River, 38, said she hopes hundreds of gay marriages in coming months will help dissuade voters from supporting a constitutional ban on the November ballot.

"It's easy when people think of gay people as 'those people,'" she said. "If you check that box you're taking away the marriage of River and Susie — it's not 'those people.' We're normal people who want to take care of each other."

The gay wedding boom has been good for business. Tom Rosa, owner of the Cake And Art bakery in West Hollywood, said business has tripled in the past week, and on one day he did as many consultations as he usually does in a month.

Rainbow-colored cakes are popular, but some couples are wild for a silver-studded all black cake, said Rosa, who baked four cakes for same-sex couples marrying at West Hollywood Park.

Many couples waited until Saturday to get married so they could share the day with family and friends and not be part of the media hoopla and protests that surrounded ceremonies earlier in the week.

"We didn't want that to take away from our occasion. It means a lot to us," said Pat Melchor of Downey, who married her partner of 11 years, the new Mrs. Cheryl Melchor, who was clutching a bouquet of white roses as they posed for photos.

West Hollywood Councilman John Heilman, who was deputized by the county deputy commissioner of civil marriages to officiate weddings in June, said the day was proving emotional, especially for couples who had been together for many years.

"Everyone's crying," he said. "People are bringing their family and friends. That's what been nicer about today."

Ephebophiles UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS AND A WORLD TO WIN!

Hi Top
06-27-2008, 05:29 PM
Careful there, DD. You're sensible, open-mindedness on this issue will get you kicked out of the intolerance club.

trancendyce
07-03-2008, 09:13 PM
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jsmith
07-04-2008, 11:42 PM
...you DO NOT choose... your sexuality; your sexuality... chooses YOU, I would ask you to cite your source, please. By this, I mean something objective and proveable beyond your opinion.

Until this generation, no society anywhere at any time has ever sanctioned gay marriage for the simple reason that a successful and long-lasting society cannot stand on any other foundation than that of one man and one woman in a legally-binding relationship. Purely on secular grounds, society has recognized for at least three millennia that this is the single most successful way to raise law-abiding, tax paying, responsible citizens.

Another issue: Since you support a man and a man to marry because they're warm, caring, loving, committed adults who are "doing their thing," I assume you would also support three men marrying each other, right? After all, if the state must recognize a marriage of two men simply because they love one another, upon what basis can it deny marital recognition to a group of three men? Obviously, the case can be made for poligamy much more easily than it can for homosexual "marriage." At least poligamy has a history that can be referenced. Anyway, these three men love each other and want to be committed for life to be faithful to each other. Are you, or is the state now the arbiter of love? How about three men and two women being married to each other? For that matter, why can't 800 women and 1,200 men located within the confines of a city block be wedded to each other? After all, are you the one who is going to investigate whether each person knows the other within this group? And is your definition of "love" different from someone else's? By the way, what is the definition of "love"? Do you appoint yourself the judge of who is worthy and unworthy of love, and on what basis do you decide?

And now that you've decided homosexuals can get married because they "love" each other and wish to enjoy the benefits of marriage simply because they're "warm, caring, intelligent individuals of legal age who want to share the benefits of marriage," on what grounds can you reject the petition of a brother and sister of legal age who claim to love each other? For that matter, on what grounds can you reject an adult homosexual son and his adult homosexual father from marrying each other? An adult homosexual mother and her adult homosexual daughter? An adult father and his biological adult daughter? An adult mother and her adult biological son? After all, they're all past the age of consent. Don't they know what's best for them? Or is it only you who knows what's best?

So you're going to let only selected homosexuals marry, but not others? Since no homosexuals can procreate biologically, how are you going to decide who gets to marry and who doesn't? Isn't everyone just "doing their own thing"?
Please explain.

And if you say there are state laws against incest, I would have to point out that there are also state laws against sodomy, which would negate your point about allowing male homosexual marriages. Should we just allow females to be "married" now, or does the definition of marriage need to be changed to include only lesbians and heterosexual couples, but not male homosexuals?
And why is sexual love more valuable than family or friendship love? Why should roommates who share expenses be barred from benefits simply because they do not have sex together? Why should adults caring for other adults -- family or friends -- be barred from all the benefits of marriage?

Please explain your position with facts and logic, DD (and anyone else who cares to put their two cents in).
Looking forward to hearing from you!
-Jsmith

spinetingler
07-05-2008, 07:16 PM
...you DO NOT choose... your sexuality; your sexuality... chooses YOU, I would ask you to cite your source, please. By this, I mean something objective and proveable beyond your opinion.

Assuming that you are straight, when did you choose?

rikki
07-05-2008, 08:33 PM
For that matter, on what grounds can you reject an adult homosexual son and his adult homosexual father from marrying each other? An adult homosexual mother and her adult homosexual daughter?

So much for that "actual thinking" thing. You seem to believe not only that homosexuals can reproduce, but that their children will inherit their sexual preference. You undercut two of your own premises at the same time. Nice work!

Given your obsession with a hundred hypothetical scenarios no one is talking about but you, it seems you have strong and conflicted feelings on this subject. You must have a lot of affection for your dog. Are you afraid that if the government does not prevent it, you will never be able to turn down your dog's marriage proposal?